: Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:08 pm  

super cricket ashes thread ????who's the super ashes team

: Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:13 pm  

If Flintoff is fully fit i think the team is already done and dusted for the first test and it'll be-

Strauss
Cook
Bopara
Pietersen
Collingwood
Prior
Flintoff
Broad
Swann
Onions
Anderson

As the series wears on i can see Vaughan/Bell putting pressure on Collingwood and Sidebottam/Harmison putting pressure on Onions.

I just don't see Onions taking wickets against the Australian batting line up if conditions don't suit.

: Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:22 pm  

airliebird9 wrote:

What about Onions??

English seamer that has done well against a poor side in English conditions in spring. Quite a few have susequently vanished without trace.

: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:59 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

English seamer that has done well against a poor side in English conditions in spring. Quite a few have susequently vanished without trace.

If taking wickets against whichever team you play against in the county championship is not the criteria the ECB pick their international team on then please tell me what is??

I'm sure if Harmison or Monty had returned to the county fold and taken as many wickets as Onions has then they would be straight back in.

: Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:37 pm  

airliebird9 wrote:

If taking wickets against whichever team you play against in the county championship is not the criteria the ECB pick their international team on then please tell me what is??

It's usually the criteria for the Headingley test, when plenty of the leading county championship wicket ticket takers get picked. Trouble is they dont often do that well against the better test teams elsewhere.

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:49 pm  

England squad for the Ashes series:

Andrew Strauss (captain)
James Anderson
Ian Bell
Ravinder Bopara
Tim Bresnan
Stuart Broad
Paul Collingwood
Alastair Cook
Andrew Flintoff
Graham Onions
Monty Panesar
Kevin Pietersen
Matt Prior
Adil Rashid
Ryan Sidebottom
Graeme Swann

Looking through that squad I don't see any involvement for either Rashid or Bresnan. Especially Bresnan to be honest as I don't see what he offers at Test level.

Bell is probably only there to make up the numbers, however, if Bopara is struggling, Bell is probably better placed to come into the starting XI than others such as Vaughan, Key or Shah.

Similarly with Panesar, I can't see him displacing Swann from the starting XI for the first couple of Tests. However, if the Aussies work him out pretty quickly, you can rely on Panesar to come in and do a job, especially on the English wickets. Probably what shades it for Swann is his batting and his variation. Not sure how much work Panesar has done on the latter but he has little hope of competing with Swann with bat in hand.

Probably the only selection headache for Flower/Strauss is Onions or Sidebottom. Both have done well against poorer performing Test nations (WI/NZ most notably) and although Sidebottom has more experience, I think I'd go for Onions initially. He is taking wickets for fun at County level, something Sidebottom hasn't had the opportunity to do with coming back from injury and almsot immediately joining up with the T20 squad. Given the poor performance from ENgland in the tournament, I think it would have been more beneficial for Sidebottom to have just got in some County Championship form with Notts.

Based on that, for the first Test I'd go with:

Strauss
Cook
Bopara
Pietersen
Collingwood
Prior
Flintoff
Swann
Broad
Anderson
Onions

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:05 pm  

How has Bresnan got in ahead of Harmison?

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:43 pm  

Pleasantly surprised by that, hopefully it means they have washed their hands of Harmison for good, at long last.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:31 am  

Asim wrote:

Pleasantly surprised by that, hopefully it means they have washed their hands of Harmison for good, at long last.

Despite the fact he has been in excellent form this season?

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:10 am  

PAUL M wrote:

Despite the fact he has been in excellent form this season?

Like he was last season.

We've seen this pattern before, he gets dropped, does well for his county, gets recalled, does OK when he first comes back to the test team, drops off again sharpishly.

He's had his time, we have to move on and give some younger players a chance to establish themselves rather than have them just keeping Harmison's place warm until he can be arsed again.