Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:01 pm  

CORNISH wrote:

just why the fook would suarez apologise to that evra??
how can he be banned again.

you lot need to form your own opinions and not listen to the lying media or some drunken lying old soak.

That Evra?

I am just in shock at how blinkered the Liverpool fans are on this matter. Your defense is that he didn't mean it racially. So apologise on those grounds, "The word used was not intended to have a racial context, but I understand how this could have been seen to be the case and I apologise unreservedly to Patrice Evra for any offense caused." He doesn't have to admit he's done anything wrong, just show some class and a willingness to move on from the issue.

The 'don't be a sheep' line, that ironcially you got from the LFC fans over the last few pages, is also a confusing one. Perhaps, just perhaps, everyone has the same opinion (Apart from Liverpool fans) because they don't have the club devotion clouding the issue? People like Roddy on here will argue till they are blue in the face that it wasn't a racial slur. But then refuse to acknowledge how it could still cause offence to Evra and how an apology might have been the right thing to do.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:10 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

That Evra?

I am just in shock at how blinkered the Liverpool fans are on this matter. Your defense is that he didn't mean it racially. So apologise on those grounds, "The word used was not intended to have a racial context, but I understand how this could have been seen to be the case and I apologise unreservedly to Patrice Evra for any offense caused." He doesn't have to admit he's done anything wrong, just show some class and a willingness to move on from the issue.

The 'don't be a sheep' line, that ironcially you got from the LFC fans over the last few pages, is also a confusing one. Perhaps, just perhaps, everyone has the same opinion (Apart from Liverpool fans) because they don't have the club devotion clouding the issue? People like Roddy on here will argue till they are blue in the face that it wasn't a racial slur. But then refuse to acknowledge how it could still cause offence to Evra and how an apology might have been the right thing to do.

it's interesting that most of the neutrals think that liverpool have handled everything since the incident at anfield about as well as the captain of the concordia.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:12 pm  

flipper wrote:

Given his relationship with Anton Ferdinand and Evra, and seeing Saurez refuse to shake Evra's hand, he may have a problem with people who use racist language against his friends and family #justathought

Hand was offered, refused, so surely he should be kicked out of the great Man Utd club.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:12 pm  

flipper wrote:

it's interesting that most of the neutrals think that liverpool have handled everything since the incident at anfield about as well as the captain of the concordia.

Indeed, read this earlier which summed it up well:

"When I were a lad Liverpool were fabulous. Amazing the state they're in now. Akin to a confused elderly relative struggling with the world."

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:14 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

I am just in shock at how blinkered the Liverpool fans are on this matter. Your defense is that he didn't mean it racially. So apologise on those grounds, "The word used was not intended to have a racial context, but I understand how this could have been seen to be the case and I apologise unreservedly to Patrice Evra for any offense caused." He doesn't have to admit he's done anything wrong, just show some class and a willingness to move on from the issue.

This sums it up for me. Had this been done straight away the issue would have been done with in a matter of days.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:15 pm  

Saint Viper wrote:

Hand was offered, refused, so surely he should be kicked out of the great Man Utd club.

you'll have to do better than that

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:23 pm  

Ian 77 Redux wrote:

You're entitled to you're opinion but you're making yourself look foolish and I don't think you are at all. Mind you, I find it hard to believe that anyone could read the entire document, call Suarez innocent and mean it.

But how anybody read that document and said Evra was a 'reliable witness' was beyond me. It's alleged Evra got to study tape to 'perfect' his hearing, which would obviously make him look 'impressive'. Evra changed the words Suarez allegedly used three times, he told the ref he called him black, his team mates ni**er and the hearing negro. How is that reliable? How can anybody make an accusation yet change it three times? He claims he didn't like to use the word ni**er, but he was quite happy to use it in the dressing room afterwards and there's a video of him happily using it when he played for Monaco. You only have to do a wee bit of searching on the internet to find plenty of balanced articles offering both sides of the story, I've read plenty myself and I don't think it's at all foolish to think that the judges came out with the wrong decision.

As I said, Suarez's biggest weakness was Comolli and Kuyt's evidence, as they added the word 'you are' in their interpretation, yet Evra was never asked why he changed his word that he accused Suarez with, which for me is about as big a flaw as you can get.

So much of the document is wide open to interpretation, Liverpool's legal team clearly done a poor job, nobody can deny that, but there was very little solid evidence in there. Since then, Suarez has continued to maintain innocence, so why can't I believe him? Why can't Liverpool fans believe him? And why should he just wipe the slate clean with Evra and start a fresh? I know I wouldn't if I was in Suarez's position, if anything my blood would be boiling and I'd want to rip his head off for getting me done for something I believe I didn't do.

That's what it all boils down to, but so much of the British public cannot for the life of them accept it. One man believes he was falsely accused, he continues to take that stance, but he is condemned nationally for not taking it on the chin and getting on with it. So much emphasis is put on a handshake, but I believe most of the people criticising Suarez would have done the same thing in the situation. Forgiveness is something so many people preach, yet don't always do.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:27 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

That's what it all boils down to, but so much of the British public cannot for the life of them accept it. One man believes he was falsely accused, he continues to take that stance, but he is condemned nationally for not taking it on the chin and getting on with it. So much emphasis is put on a handshake, but I believe most of the people criticising Suarez would have done the same thing in the situation. Forgiveness is something so many people preach, yet don't always do.

So you reckon he's morally not done anything wrong with what he said. Fine, why can't he acknowledge that the word could be misinterpreted as a racial insult as I posted above? "I didn't mean it racially and apologise if it's taken that way". etc etc?

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:44 pm  

Just read a cracking quote in an article by the guardian.

"Outraged by everything, ashamed of nothing"

Sums up Liverpools conduct over the last few months very nicely in my eyes.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:52 pm  

Anybody fancy talking about the game or football?
United now 19 points ahead of Liverpool. Nice number 19.