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Re: Football Chat Thread : Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:34 pm  
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...the latest rumour is that when Enrique completes his £15m move to Liverpool his replacement is someone with no PL experience from Swansea for £1m.
It is inevitable Enrique will leave, if he wanted to stay then he would've been showing more commitment than he is.

You've already had them for £35 million with Carroll. You reckon they'd be daft enough to let you steal another £15 million?
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:58 pm  
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Scolari was percieved to be a successful International manager though, Moyes does not have that.

Redknapp did not take over Spurs with the expectation of CL semi's as a minimum. I agree that Moyes could get the Spurs job, but they aren't in the CL next year and anything past the group stages would be a bonus for progression in the CL if they were in it at the time of his appointment. They can afford for him to learn the ropes tactically, Utd and Chelsea cannot.

Had he won the EL, or even got to a final, then it may be different. But he's not won anything, nor exceeded expectations in Europe. He's shown he's a good manager at that level of club, he's not shown he can spend big money and he's not pushed Everton beyond what was expected bar one season in 2005. That's not enough for a major club to take a chance on him.

If he goes to Villa, gets a bit of money and pushes them into the top 4 and has a good season in the CL the year after then that might do, so I can see why he'd be tempted.


Thing is, he has pushed Everton beyond expectation. Many sides regularly spend more money than Everton, particularly if you look towards net spend, yet he always has his side in the top 8. Not only has Moyes managed to maintain Everton at a high level with little backing, he's continued the progression of the club largely through his own signings. Players like Lescott and Andy Johnson have brought in good fees, whilst he's always got value from his signings (a few strikers and Fellaini aside, who has done well, but probably hasn't exceeded the £15m fee).

Problem with European experience is it's very hard to gain whilst managing in England. Many people were/are tipping Villas-Boas for any of the top jobs, yet he's only had one full season managing Porto. Admittedly, it was massively successful, but experience isn't the be all and end all, a good manager is a good manager, and, without serious investment, it's pointless expecting great things.

Just look around Europe and look at some of the managers at big clubs: Inter have Leonardo (little experience), Bayern have Jonker (little experience as a manager), Barca appointed Guardiola when he hadn't even managed a top flight side before, Milan have Allegri, Valencia appointed Emery with little experience. Yet you see a club like Liverpool appoint an experienced, Europa League finalist in Roy Hodgson, and look where that went.

As I said, a top manager is a top manager, Moyes is a top manager IMO. His ability to build sides with little investment is an outstanding trait, something very few from Britain could achieve to his level.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:08 pm  
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You've already had them for £35 million with Carroll. You reckon they'd be daft enough to let you steal another £15 million?


Pinocchio has claimed that Enrique will be off to Anfield. Price quotes ranging from £8m to a hideous £18m. So its anyones guess.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:30 pm  
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Pinocchio has claimed that Enrique will be off to Anfield. Price quotes ranging from £8m to a hideous £18m. So its anyones guess.


With 1 year left on his contract?

That's absurd.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:35 pm  
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Bet your house on Newcastle getting relegated again next May. 7/1 is brilliant value, after fat Mike has finished taking the club for a ride.

The ambition the board are showing is absolutely terrible.

Pardew is hardly the answer, but the board don't seem to want to help. All that Carroll money, looks like Barton will be leaving, and the latest rumour is that when Enrique completes his £15m move to Liverpool his replacement is someone with no PL experience from Swansea for £1m.

It is inevitable Enrique will leave, if he wanted to stay then he would've been showing more commitment than he is.

That would be (inc Carroll's money, and any other players that leave this summer) over £50m in and probably less than 10% of that will be spent.

As for the apparent Cabaye deal, watch that fall through.

Never felt this low as a NUFC fan in my life.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Do you live in an igloo? That's the biggest load of shite I've read in a long, long time.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:35 pm  
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With 1 year left on his contract?

That's absurd.

Worth every penny, though. Linked with Barca in this morning's Spanish press.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:57 pm  
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Worth every penny, though. Linked with Barca in this morning's Spanish press.


Not for me at those prices.

Good player, better than what we've got, but we shouldn't be getting held to ransom over a player with 12 months left at his club.

And don't get me started on the prices quoted for Henderson either :CRAZY:
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:01 pm  
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Worth every penny, though. Linked with Barca in this morning's Spanish press.

Which paper?
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:05 pm  
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Which paper?

El Mundo Deportivo? There's a Barca fan who's a regular on our forum, he posted it earlier.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:32 pm  
Nikaed wrote:
Paranoia and bitterness in the extreme. Hargreaves was an integral part of winning a champions league and Premier league title, then has had injury problems. Now Robbie Keane and Aquilani, there's some classic money wasting. £40 million = foook all, and how much was Glen "chubby" Johnson. I agree that we probably haven't got value for money and the price was probably a bit high, but he is nowhere near as bad a signing as you make out, considering how much your own club fritters away on a yearly basis. I'm sure you know that really.


What am I bitter about? :lol:

Hargreaves was a United player for one year. £17m or whatever it was and X amount in wages. Bad luck, yes, but he was a woeful signing. Aquilani's a good player, hopefully he comes back and resurrects his career after Purslow sent him packing. Robbie Keane - woeful. Johnson's a good player and he's certainly not as chubby as Anderson.
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