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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:25 pm  
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If that's true...Christ.


ash4hullfc wrote:
Also said N'Gog to the mackems as part of the Henderson deal. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Scousers getting their own back on the north east for being made to pay £35 million for Carroll.


How wrong was I? No wonder Henderson was keen on Anfield.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:31 pm  
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Wouldn't be too keen on him coming to Newcastle either if he was 27 and had only just started getting recognition over the past year or so, especially for over 10m.

One season of recognition (playing well) in the French League and he's in demand. You've got the possibility of another club coming along and snatching him but can Newcastle really afford to take a chance on him?
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:40 pm  
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Vidal is a quality player, if anything playing for Leverkusen hasn't done him justice, as he's one of the best midfielders in Germany.
If you want examples of how European/Worldwide players can be cheaper, just look around Europe and see some of the best young players and look at the fee paid for players like Pastore, Alexis Sanchez and Ozil. Too many big clubs seem intent on letting smaller clubs sign big prospects, then, if they work out, they happily pay the big fee. IMO, every summer top talents come over from South America, or top players get signed at bargain fees (Hernandez at United, Tiote at Newcastle), yet people think that a couple of years in the premier league justifies a £20m fee. I just don't get these sky high evaluations of home grown talent, especially when many clubs themselves sign top talent from abroad for cheaper.

Had you heard of Pastore or Sanchez before they came to Europe? I hadn't and I don't think I'd be the only one. English clubs don't have a history of going to South America and picking up gems for next to nothing. It's been going on for decades in Italy and Spain. Wasn't Özil coming to the end of his contract when Madrid signed him? They got a bargain anyhow. The same can't be said for his mate Sami Khedira who's been average at best. Rather than foreign players being cheap I think British based players are overpriced, sometimes grossly.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:47 pm  
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Had you heard of Pastore or Sanchez before they came to Europe? I hadn't and I don't think I'd be the only one. English clubs don't have a history of going to South America and picking up gems for next to nothing. It's been going on for decades in Italy and Spain. Wasn't Özil coming to the end of his contract when Madrid signed him? They got a bargain anyhow. The same can't be said for his mate Sami Khedira who's been average at best. Rather than foreign players being cheap I think British based players are overpriced, sometimes grossly.


I'd heard of Pastore, just because I'd been reading a few things about South American talents and he came up a lot, but I'd never seen him. Thing is, I'm not paid to hear of these players, clubs employ scouts in just about every footballing country in the world, yet they resort to spending vast sums on players from their home nation, even if it doesn't make business sense. Ozil was coming to the end of his contract, as are Ashley Young and Charlie Adam, yet they're still commanding decent fees as though they're under a long contract.

My point is still the same, whether it's worldwide players being cheap or English players being dear, the point is: we spend too much on homegrown players when it's available cheaper on the continent.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:48 pm  
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My point is still the same, whether it's worldwide players being cheap or English players being dear, the point is: we spend too much on homegrown players when it's available cheaper on the continent.

We agree on that.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:53 pm  
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My point is still the same, whether it's worldwide players being cheap or English players being dear, the point is: we spend too much on homegrown players when it's available cheaper on the continent.


True. As I said before, however:

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But it's only a small amount of players that move for huge fees players do move around Europe for huge sums of money too - Ibrahimovic being an example. You're right though South American players do seem to arrive regular for small fees and in the case of the two you mentioned turn out to be bargains but when it comes to the English players there's only a few who command huge fees, this is unlikely to make big news around Europe so I'm sure similar deals will go on throughout Europe that we may not hear about too.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:56 pm  
I can't understand the fuss about Henderson. With Liverpool signing him and apparently City and United being interested in signing the youngster, he must have something to him.

When I have watched him is passing has been patchy at best, his touch has been poor and he lacks football intelligence.

Looking at the fees in the last year, even James Milner is looking like a bargain. I never thought I would say that. Lescott was still very over-priced though :)
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:02 pm  
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Lescott was still very over-priced though :)


:lol: :lol: Just a tad :wink:
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:03 pm  
Phil Jones looks a very good prosect - much better than Smalling. However, he looks like he is one of those players who has a problem with his weight.

Because of his skill set, he could play FB, CB and CM. If United are tempted to use in him in a variety of positions it could actually have a negative effect on his development. IMO he looks like a CB all ends up.
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Re: Football Chat Thread : Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:11 pm  
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:lol: :lol: Just a tad :wink:


I can't understand why Everton fans and management were so unhappy about us signing. It probably prevented the club having to have a fire sale to pay the bills.



Back to Phil Jones, what are the odds he will be called up to the full England squad in August before he has played for United? IMO he will get a call-up before Richards, even though the City player is the best RB in the country, IMO, regardless of nationality.
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