Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:58 pm  

Fully deserved by Leeds, the best team won. I fear a dicking at City to be honest as our midfield will get shown up for what it is. Welbeck, Brown and Gibson weren't very good yesterday and Berbatov laboured around. We need to bring in an energtic midfielder. I would have loved us to get Ramsay seeing what hes doing at Arsenal.

Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:07 pm  

Mark wrote:

Fully deserved by Leeds, the best team won. I fear a dicking at City to be honest as our midfield will get shown up for what it is. Welbeck, Brown and Gibson weren't very good yesterday and Berbatov laboured around. We need to bring in an energtic midfielder. I would have loved us to get Ramsay seeing what hes doing at Arsenal.

I dont think you can single those three out to be honest fella. Nobody turned up. The only one who showed anything was Valencia, and his final ball was mediocre at best.

Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:10 pm  

Mark wrote:

Fully deserved by Leeds, the best team won. I fear a dicking at City to be honest as our midfield will get shown up for what it is. Welbeck, Brown and Gibson weren't very good yesterday and Berbatov laboured around. We need to bring in an energtic midfielder. I would have loved us to get Ramsay seeing what hes doing at Arsenal.

When's Hargreaves back? Where's Fletch?

Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:25 pm  

Enfield Exile wrote:

I see United fans are now changing their tune. Let's face it though, your 'team of kids' is essentially 3 inexperienced players, who have all played Champions League.

I'd say the "kids" that we have chosen in the Carling Cup so far are Welbeck, Macheda, Obertan, Gibson, Anderson, Fabio and Rafael.

Sure, a few of them have played CL and all have played PL, but they're still only youngsters. However, despite what Fergie has said previously, he cannot play that side, because it won't beat City.

Enfield Exile wrote:

Interesting you say that. United appear to have struggled in some games this year where they have come under pressure, which is unusual for them. As a result, I think any added pressure may make it more difficult for United. Normally, the United teams have thrived on the pressure. I am not sure that's the case anymore. There's a collective psychological change at United. The players don't appear as battle-hardened, resilient and as confident as they have been in previous years. Maybe I am wrong. Will be interesting to hear what the knowledgeable United fans think - Karlos, RedTez, Nemanja and others.

Before, we knew that if in doubt, we could give the ball to Ronaldo and 8 times out of 10 he would score a goal to get us a draw or more likely a win, the team always had confidence in him getting something. This season we rely on Rooney, and his ability to pull something from nothing isn't as good as what Ronaldo, which aint something to be upset about, Ronaldo was a freak.

Rooney liked playing alongside Ronaldo. They both read each other's game perfectly, and together they created just about everything that was good about United. Rooney liked playing alongside Tevez too, and his partnership with Berbatov just aint working. Berbatov is by far one of the best players on the ball in the League, but he doesn't fit into the United system with Rooney, he always wants one or two touches too many IMO. Unfortunately, I think we should cut our losses and say goodbye to him.

Another major loss for United since we lost Ronaldo is pace. Evra and the da Silvas apart, we have a shocking lack of pace in the side. Many times this season when we've tried to hit on the break (previously one of out biggest strengths), but we've tried to use Carrick as the breakaway. Although you can always rely on Carrick to keep the ball, he isn't going to sprint up to the other end of the field in a matter of seconds. So this season, we've tried to pass our way out, and with our awful passing so far this year we often lose it and put ourselves back under pressure.

Fergie claims he has £60million to spend, well he needs to buy a striker and a creative midfielder. Ideally, he'd sign David Silva, but as a cheaper alternative, somebody like Milner from Villa could be just as effective. He's somebody that puts 110% into every game, he can play anywhere along midfield, and he'll do all the running and hard work that we lost when Tevez left. Not only that, but he can hit the ball too.

Enfield Exile wrote:

Agreed.


I won't be bold and say we will win though. I am never confident of us winning any game. I honestly thought we would be beaten by Boro at the weekend. We are second favourites for this game IMO.

As it's two legs and we're at home second, I think we are probably just about favourites, as long as we don't get stuffed at Eastlands. If it was a one legged tie, I'd put you as favourites.

ATM I even think AC Milan will chuck us out of Europe too.

Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:28 pm  

Robbie Rotten wrote:

When's Hargreaves back? Where's Fletch?

Physically, Hargreaves is ready to return to full training. It's mentally where he isn't ready. So nobody really knows how long he's going to be out for.

I think Fletch was just dropped as "unrequired" for Leeds. If fit, he must play v City.

Other problems include O'Shea and Ferdinand. Both long term injuries with no clue as to when they could be back. Without Ferdinand, we miss pace at centre back, as we found out to our cost yesterday.

Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:51 pm  

Nemanja wrote:

Physically, Hargreaves is ready to return to full training. It's mentally where he isn't ready. So nobody really knows how long he's going to be out for.

I think Fletch was just dropped as "unrequired" for Leeds. If fit, he must play v City.

Other problems include O'Shea and Ferdinand. Both long term injuries with no clue as to when they could be back. Without Ferdinand, we miss pace at centre back, as we found out to our cost yesterday.

I thought Wes was the best natural defender in England, surely, if he can read the game so well, Rio's pace isn't needed?

I don't think things are as bad as made out at United, but I do think you'll be really exposed come the business end of the season. You have a solid squad renowned for grinding out the results, but when the big matches come around I do feel your strongest XI is severely weakened without Ronaldo, which is to be expected.

Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:56 pm  

Nemanja wrote:

sinp

Excellent points.

I don't think we should minimalise the loss of Ronaldo, and I think we can all now see just how good a player he is. Maybe some United fans (me included) under estimated his impact on the team. I said to my old man towards the end of last season, if you gave me a choice Rooney, Messi or Ronaldo, I'd choose Rooney. He IS United now. However, although I think Rooney is key to Uniteds success, Ronaldo was more important. He made things happen from nothing, as Nemanja has said. He is irreplacable.

We are simply not the same team as in previous years. I would look round the team in seasons gone buy and thought Ronaldo, Rooney, Scholes, Giggs, Larsson (for a short time), Tevez - Someone will do something special to get us back in the game. Now it's changed. It's Rooney or bust.

I think that because Chelsea and Liverpool have also been so poor this season, it's papered over United's cracks. We are dreadfully thin at goalkeeper behind EDVS, who, due to his age, will miss more and more games. I have always said Foster isn't good enough, and Tommy will be a career back up at Old Trafford, a la Van Der Gouw.

Don't get me wrong, we still have a decent team, in the current state we'll probably finish runners up in the prem and get to the 1/4 finals of the Champions League. But that's not good enough for United, or Fergie. We need to kick on in the summer and bring some new talent in, I just don't know where the funds will come from. We'll hammer a poor Wigan side at home, beat Hull away and raise our game for City, but the old dependability of beating the decent teams on a good day when we're not playing well seem to have gone. That's where United have always been a cut above. Last minute goals at home to Sheff Weds, away winners at Fulham, snatching draws at Sunderland etc. I can't see the team doing that now.

Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:22 pm  

Reports in the Sunday Times suggest the Glazers are considering a bond issue to try raise cash to refinance MUFC. Crain's have more information on the debt at United. MUST response.

Reports in the Sunday Times suggest the Glazers are considering a bond issue to try raise cash to refinance MUFC. Crain's have more information on the debt at United. MUST response.

Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:19 pm  

LFCRhino wrote:

No but that just adds to my hatred toward them

I have a friend who supports them and constantly talks about them and how good they are/were/will be again(when they were good I dont know ) Im sick of hearing it there rubbish FFS I guess its him I dont like not really them but meh

Ironic from A Kopite

Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:41 pm  

Nemanja wrote:

Rooney liked playing alongside Ronaldo. They both read each other's game perfectly, and together they created just about everything that was good about United. Rooney liked playing alongside Tevez too, and his partnership with Berbatov just aint working. Berbatov is by far one of the best players on the ball in the League, but he doesn't fit into the United system with Rooney, he always wants one or two touches too many IMO. Unfortunately, I think we should cut our losses and say goodbye to him.

Another major loss for United since we lost Ronaldo is pace. Evra and the da Silvas apart, we have a shocking lack of pace in the side. Many times this season when we've tried to hit on the break (previously one of out biggest strengths), but we've tried to use Carrick as the breakaway. Although you can always rely on Carrick to keep the ball, he isn't going to sprint up to the other end of the field in a matter of seconds. So this season, we've tried to pass our way out, and with our awful passing so far this year we often lose it and put ourselves back under pressure.

Fergie claims he has £60million to spend, well he needs to buy a striker and a creative midfielder. Ideally, he'd sign David Silva, but as a cheaper alternative, somebody like Milner from Villa could be just as effective. He's somebody that puts 110% into every game, he can play anywhere along midfield, and he'll do all the running and hard work that we lost when Tevez left. Not only that, but he can hit the ball too.

I've backed Berba in the past but at the minute he just doesn't look interested in playing football and i think it's all down to how we set up. The way he likes to play is to get the ball deep and try too create but we have Rooney doing the exact same job (but 100% better) i think if he had an out and out front man making runs/taking players with him we'd start to see the old Berbatov that we saw at spuds but i'd rather have Rooney in the side pulling the strings.

As for the pace in the side i'd agree about the DaSilva's and Evra but i'd also throw Valencia and Valencia in there as they're not slow players. Many times this season i've seen players bursting through out wide only to be left crossing a ball into an empty box as Rooneys still making his way back after making a cover tackle for a Centre half, then you have Berbatov who'll still have his hands on his hips 25 yards out. Fletcher is a player who has improved his running into the box no end in the last 18 months but he can't do it every attack. You can have all the pace in the world but it doesn't make you a good footballer just look at Nani for an example

We definately need to bring some fresh blood into the team but who is good enough,available and not cup tied for the Champions League? I think the money is there but Fergies not be willing to splash out the big money these days incase the players flop. A quality Left winger is a must and most reports are linking us with di María at Benfica, Valencia imo is improving game on game and is starting to take the right option alot more after a poorish start we have back up in Park (not the greatest but a grafter) and Obertan can fill in on the right.
I think central midfield is solid when fit with Carrick, Fletcher, Hargreaves, Anderson and to a lesser extent Giggs and Scholes playing bit parts although Gibson doesn't look Manchester United quality to me. We could have a couple of midfielders breaking through at the end of the season so who could we bring in of a decent standard who'd be willing to take a place on the bench???

Then we get to the forwards Rooney is simply brilliant, Berbatov can't be bothered and Owen just doesn't get enough game time to prove his worth. Welbeck needs a left foot transplant and Mecheada seems to have stagnated a little and should really be going out on loan for the rest of the season, we also have Diouf coming this month but is a bit of an unknown but from the limited footage i've seen of him he looks quick with two decent feet and is deadly in the air just hope he's better the Manucho

A worldclass keeper is a must with VDS running out of time, Foster and Ketchup looking like ok back up and Zieller a bit too young at the minute although he looks like he has a decent future infront of him.