: Tue May 05, 2009 4:27 pm  

OoOGazOoO wrote:

Yeh too true mate.

The thing is, there doesn't seem to be any passion, there is idiotic behaviour from Barton, but not real passion.

I wonder how many players in these struggling teams have clauses to get out in the event of relegation only to be re-employed as 'experienced Premiership players' by the likes of Wolves,Birmingham and ,hopefully, Burnley. I saw some players picked up by Bradford City in the vain attempt to survive who were only picking up a premiership wage. Petrescu and Hopkin spring immediately to mind.

: Tue May 05, 2009 4:38 pm  

Fresh Prince of Chesh-air wrote:

I don't think it needs explaining but hey ho...

They are a big club, with a big stadium and great fan base. As advert for a PL it'd be much more attractive seeing a massive 52,000 seater stadium full then somewhere like the JJB struggling to get 17,000....always have good banter with the geordies as well. A team like Newcastle as well will be able (well you wouldn't have thought it this season (haha) to tempt big players from europe or even tempt big players back ala Owen, which can only be good for the PL).

Don't get me wrong if they finish in the bottom three they deserve to be relegated I'm not questioning that, just as far as the PL goes, it'd be a shame if they were relegated.

Big Stadium, Decent Fan Base yes but are they actually a "Big Club" i don't believe they are, They portray themselves as one but i don't understand why, Leeds United are a Big Club you can't deny that but Newcastle a club who hasn't done anything for god knows how many years, Have they ever dominated an era so to speak?...

: Tue May 05, 2009 4:39 pm  

Newcastle need a fresh start. A clearout from top to bottom.

: Tue May 05, 2009 4:41 pm  

OoOGazOoO wrote:

That's got nothing to do with people being hysterical.

It's because the city lives and breathes football and Newcastle United, like no other place i have actually seen.

Football is massive in Newcastle, and without being biased, i have never known it to be the focal point of some many peoples lives, as opposed to other towns or cities, no matter how successful the team has been.

Owen was a massive signing, absolutely massive at the time.

It's got nothing to do with people being branded as 'messiahs', it is because people of Newcastle generally live for the Toon.

Did they "live for the toon" in the late 80's early 90's?

: Tue May 05, 2009 4:46 pm  

Mark wrote:

Did they "live for the toon" in the late 80's early 90's?

Probably.

: Tue May 05, 2009 4:49 pm  

Mark wrote:

Did they "live for the toon" in the late 80's early 90's?

I would imagine so.

Might not have been in their big numbers but i'm sure some people did "live for the toon". Just like during out bad times up until a few years ago we still had fantastic support and attendance who lived for Everton.

: Tue May 05, 2009 5:13 pm  

Snake Eater wrote:

do you not think that's part of their problem?

they are obsessed with their past and there always has to be some ''geordie messiah'' who will come along and then magically create a golden era where they play football like barcelona and win trophies for ever more.

It's a sh*tty pipe dream and it's about time they let go of the past.

I think I was being sarcastic.

: Tue May 05, 2009 5:15 pm  

Snake Eater wrote:

Do you know why the name ''messiah'' get's coined?

It's because that's how the newcastle fans treat them, flocking in their thousands to welcome them, with mad hysteria and excitment, sure you see a few ''messiah 9 shearer'' on the back of shirts. Look at the way they welcomed owen. The whole things cringeworthy.

It's also a direct quote from a number of Newcastle fans from SSN who were greeting Kevin Keegan's return.

I think the term messiah was most apt. Rode into town to cheers and jubilation, ended up crucified.

: Tue May 05, 2009 5:18 pm  

The Joker® wrote:

Big Stadium, Decent Fan Base yes but are they actually a "Big Club" i don't believe they are, They portray themselves as one but i don't understand why, Leeds United are a Big Club you can't deny that but Newcastle a club who hasn't done anything for god knows how many years, Have they ever dominated an era so to speak?...

You were doing so well until that.

Dominated an era? What like Huddersfield in the 1930's? No-one has a divine right to success. Leeds came from nowhere, Ipswich came from nowhere, Forest/Derby came from nowhere. And went back. History is cycles. The real fans support the team no matter what, not just in the glory days in fair weather.

: Tue May 05, 2009 6:01 pm  

BREAKING TEAM NEWS:
Robin van Persie starts for Arsenal. Carlos Tevez and Dimitar Berbatov are BOTH on the bench for Man United, Ji-Sung Park starts.