Re: More Football Chat : Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:32 pm  

Calm down! Calm down!

Liverpool supporters having a go at someone else over their victim mentality.

The banner can clearly be read as a wind-up over Everton not being in the EC because of the Heysel ban. It's a lot more difficult to buy that this banner was created without the Heysel Ban being in mind.

Re: More Football Chat : Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:56 pm  

Wire_85 wrote:

Want your really saying is mocking Everton not getting into Europe is the same as mocking the 96?

Love to see them try maybe you should do it for them?

Not by your logic, they aren't mocking the 96, they would be mocking the fact we all have to sit down now.

Re: More Football Chat : Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:09 pm  

Ski wrote:

Not by your logic, they aren't mocking the 96, they would be mocking the fact we all have to sit down now.

Oh right thats how it works does it.....


Eye for an eye an all that.

Re: More Football Chat : Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:12 pm  

Wire_85 wrote:

Oh right thats how it works does it.....


Eye for an eye an all that.

You are the one creating the distinction between mocking the event and knocking the result of the event.

Re: More Football Chat : Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:15 pm  

You see thats the problem.

The banner mocked Everton who claim they would of been favs and won the cup if they weren't banned

It didn't mock the 39.

People will see it the way they want to see it.

Re: More Football Chat : Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:18 pm  

Not sure what logic you're trying to use there.

He isn't saying that they should put out that banner, just if Evertonians did you wouldn't like it. So why stand behind this one? It's ridiculous. It's glorifying Heysel. It's saying "Ha ha. Because of the deaths cause by fellow supporters in one of our matches you could not go to the European Cup". It's really indefensible, really immature, and really showing the ugly side of football. Liverpool aren't the only club guilty of showing off an ugly side. Why get defensive? You claim Evertonians are bitter, they will no doubt react negatively to this, is it bitter or understandable to object to this?

At the end of the day banners like this, chants about deaths and goading the personal tragedies of players need to go from the sport no matter who is doing it. One of your famous managers once said "Football isn't life or death, it's much more important than that." Well he was wrong. He was talking rubbish. It's not, and people need to stop acting like it is.

Re: More Football Chat : Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:20 pm  

Wire_85 wrote:

You see thats the problem.

The banner mocked Everton who claim they would of been favs and won the cup if they weren't banned

It didn't mock the 39.

People will see it the way they want to see it.

So, like Karlos said, how would the Dippers react if someone was to unfurl a banner about all seater stadium as a result of Dippers complaining about the lack of atmosphere?

You wouldn't see it like that, you'd all cry crocodile tears.

Re: More Football Chat : Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:22 pm  

Chris Dalton wrote:

Not sure what logic you're trying to use there.

He isn't saying that they should put out that banner, just if Evertonians did you wouldn't like it. So why stand behind this one? It's ridiculous. It's glorifying Heysel. It's saying "Ha ha. Because of the deaths cause by fellow supporters in one of our matches you could not go to the European Cup". It's really indefensible, really immature, and really showing the ugly side of football. Liverpool aren't the only club guilty of showing off an ugly side. Why get defensive? You claim Evertonians are bitter, they will no doubt react negatively to this, is it bitter or understandable to object to this?

At the end of the day banners like this, chants about deaths and goading the personal tragedies of players need to go from the sport no matter who is doing it. One of your famous managers once said "Football isn't life or death, it's much more important than that." Well he was wrong. He was talking rubbish. It's not, and people need to stop acting like it is.

Again you don't don't know the history with us and Everton over it.

Its something they have used time and time again we give it back and its outraged

Re: More Football Chat : Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:25 pm  

Wire_85 wrote:

Again you don't don't know the history with us and Everton over it.

Its something they have used time and time again we give it back and its outraged

Surely the "Greatest Fans in the World" (tm) would be able to rise above such small time slights against their name?

We all know they can't, and we all know what a small minority of Liverpool fans are capable of when it comes to mocking tragedies.

Such a public mocking was disgusting. It is no wonder Juve fans turned their back on the Kop.

Re: More Football Chat : Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:25 pm  

Ski wrote:

So, like Karlos said, how would the Dippers react if someone was to unfurl a banner about all seater stadium as a result of Dippers complaining about the lack of atmosphere?

You wouldn't see it like that, you'd all cry crocodile tears.

Pretty sure it wouldn't last 5 secs

All teams complain about atmosphere its not something we bang on about like Everton over Heysel though is it?