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Re: Festive Football Chat : Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:21 am  
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It's not difficult to see Liverpool's problems. They start with Rafa and end with Benitez.

HE has built the majority of this squad and has certainly been there long enough for anyone elses influence to have worn off. Liverpool are in their worst state in many a year. Torres, Reina and Gerrard are world class, Benayouin is quality, but beyond those three? Kuyt is a complete donkey, he is your typical Sheffield United player, works his backside off but hasn't got any quality about him at all. Ngog, Babel, Riera, Aquilani, Lucas, the list goes on an on. They paid £18m for a pathetic right back in Johnson so can never ever moan about not being able to spend money. They money they paid for him plus Aquilani would have bought them Villa or two truly dominant centre backs. How bad is Carragher these days? It's hillarious watching him, he's gone.

In order to win the Premier League Liverpool realistically need 2 centre backs, 2 fullbacks, two central midfielders, two wide midfielders and two strikers. Rafa has arguably the two best players in the Premier League and has used this as his get out of jail card for far too long. Why did he spend £18 on Glen Johnson when he only has ONE striker? What did he think would happen when that ponce Goldylocks got injured? Why did he spend £15m+ on an Italian midfielder who had been injured for a year? What did he think would happen when Stevie G got injured.

What happens now is Torres goes home and picks up a copy of the DVD editing software Leon Pryce is using. He gets himself a move in January or at least the end of the season. Liverpool spend the money on a couple of players, see an upturn in form and predict that 'next season is ours' again.

If Mr Benitez had even a scrap of integrity he'd resign tonight. Instead he'll hide behind the flak being aimed at the owners and rob another few months salary from the club.


No it starts with the owners and ends with the owners we spent blah blah so what it means nothing if you are selling players to buy players even Everton can buy a couple of £15M players.
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:23 am  
Rafa picks the team, Rafa chooses to play injured players, Rafa chooses to buy and play Lucas, Insua etc.
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:33 am  
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Rafa picks the team, Rafa chooses to play injured players, Rafa chooses to buy and play Lucas, Insua etc.


Owners decide the make up of the team he picks from.

You should know more then anyone about owners your going to have a real fight to keep your position due to there actions.
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:00 am  
heard rafa is already gone

how much of it is true i dont know
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:04 am  
Danny 2 wrote:
heard rafa is already gone

how much of it is true i dont know


Although I know it wont be

PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE :PRAY:
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:09 am  
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Although I know it wont be

PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE :PRAY:


i hope it is tbh he has done a great job for us

but he is fastly becoming a joke now
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:17 am  
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i hope it is tbh he has done a great job for us

but he is fastly becoming a joke now


Not gonna happen though lets face it he signed a new contract in the summer so unless he quits we cant afford to get rid :roll: :BEAT:
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:39 am  
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Was that included in the figures? I heard City's "98m" loss didn't include the summer spending. Do the United books published include the Ronaldo sale, Valencia signing etc?


Ronaldo sale is included, Valencia isn't as he was signed after 30 June.

The fact that we had to sell £80m of player to make a profit is disturbing, and has come at a convenient time for the Glazer's when they are trying to work up this bond issue thing. Include that transfer and you have £40m profit instead of £40m loss, suddenly looks more appealing to investors, although surely they aren't that thick to believe it?
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:44 am  
Danny 2 wrote:
heard rafa is already gone

how much of it is true i dont know


In Rafa we trust...
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:47 am  
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No it starts with the owners and ends with the owners we spent blah blah so what it means nothing if you are selling players to buy players even Everton can buy a couple of £15M players.


:CRAZY:

Don't suggest they've not backed him. His decisions re. signings are awful. Bar Reina and Torres who were hardly difficult to pick as being quality, none of his other signings have made the grade.

Surely you cannot defend the failure he has become? If all the signings he'd made were doing well, like you can say for David Moyes or Alex McLeish or O'Neill for example then people would agree with you. But I bet Rafa has spent well over £100m on utter rubbish.

From Wiki, I bet Rafa signed most, if not all, of these. I'm sure you can see a theme developing (Good signings, if he even made them, in bold):

Diego Cavalieri - Not good enough
Glen Johnson - Not good enough, paid £15m too much
Alberto Aquilani - Awful signing, paid £12m too much
Daniel Agger - Not good enough
Steven Gerrard (captain) - Rafa didn't sign
Fernando Torres - Top quality
Albert Riera - Not good enough
Fábio Aurélio - Not good enough
Yossi Benayoun - Very good squad player
Sotirios Kyrgiakos - Awful signing
Maxi Rodríguez - Signed today
Dirk Kuyt - Not good enough
Ryan Babel - Not good enough
Javier Mascherano - Good squad player
Lucas - Not good enough
Emiliano Insúa - Not good enough
Jamie Carragher - Rafa didn't sign him, but surely sees his time is up?
David N'Gog - Not good enough
Pepe Reina - Top quality
Philipp Degen - Not good enough
Damien Plessis - Not good enough
Nabil El Zhar - Not good enough
Martin Škrtel - Not good enough
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