[John_D]

Re: Cycling : Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:51 am  

sanjunien wrote:

Ullrich is also a proven cheat so is that whole T de F period one big farce ?

Yes

Re: Cycling : Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:20 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

quite right too - cheating yank

does this now mean that the winners are officially Jan Ullrich (3 times) & co ?

Ullrich is also a proven cheat so is that whole T de F period one big farce ?

His titles would go to Ullrich (3 of them), Zulle, Basso, Kloden and Beloki. So that would be 3 proven drugs cheats and one shady one. Yeah The Tour is Dead, long live the Tour

Re: Cycling : Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:41 pm  

onewild wrote:

His titles would go to Ullrich (3 of them), Zulle, Basso, Kloden and Beloki. So that would be 3 proven drugs cheats and one shady one. Yeah The Tour is Dead, long live the Tour

then the whole process starts all over again......

[John_D]

Re: Cycling : Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:41 pm  

Degenkolb. Again.

Re: Cycling : Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:45 pm  

certainly is nippy - good to see CF maintaining his place only 10 seconds behind the yellow , erhh red jersey.. errh

Re: Cycling : Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:03 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

quite right too - cheating yank

does this now mean that the winners are officially Jan Ullrich (3 times) & co ?

Ullrich is also a proven cheat so is that whole T de F period one big farce ?

It does seem a tricky precedent to apply consistently.

Applying similar logic, surely they should retrospectively strip every East German athlete or swimmer of their Olympic titles? Where would it end?

A lifetime ban for Armstrong from now (if they've got the evidence) might not have any practical consequences but it would more than taint is career. Trying to re-write the records just seems to cause as many problems as it solves.

Re: Cycling : Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:38 pm  

What a mess, so we could be seeing guys who didn't even finish on the podium in the "Armstrong years" being awarded Tour wins?...goes to show how widespread it was back then.

The thing is there has been rumours for years over him, has Armstrong's profile and charity work meant a cover up in the UCI?

Re: Cycling : Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:41 am  

Cibaman wrote:

It does seem a tricky precedent to apply consistently.

Applying similar logic, surely they should retrospectively strip every East German athlete or swimmer of their Olympic titles? Where would it end?

A lifetime ban for Armstrong from now (if they've got the evidence) might not have any practical consequences but it would more than taint is career. Trying to re-write the records just seems to cause as many problems as it solves.

well, hopefully that's the end of the debacle and cycling can carry on building it's reputation despite all this ridiculous points scoring by the drugs agencies

regarding east german athletes - I don't think I would want to see many of the women 'stripped' as they would look more like men than erhh, men !

[John_D]

Re: Cycling : Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:17 pm  

duke street 10 wrote:

The thing is there has been rumours for years over him, has Armstrong's profile and charity work meant a cover up in the UCI?

Cycling News are running with the story that the reason he never failed a test was that he was tipped off in advance of the testers, suggesting an insider in the anti-doping agencies. Whether that involves the UCI or not, who knows, but it's pretty damning.

Re: Cycling : Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:38 am  

There's also the alledged payment of something like 200-400,000 us dollars that he paid to the uci that has been muted about. It's widely thought that this was some.kind of hush money. Which was used ironically to help purchase a new drug detection equipment.