Re: The all new NFL Chat thread : Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:18 pm  

WBFOP wrote:

Jon Gruden is a great self publicist. He did some good things at Oakland but he also started to build a roster that was heavy with over priced ageing veterans. Since the Superbowl the Raiders have been paying for that.

In Tampa he took Tony Dungy's defense, which reached pretty much its peak and won a Superbowl. After the Superbowl season Gruden went 45-51 with the Bucs and IMHO it was only Monte Kiffin's handling of the defense that got him that many wins.

He is thought of as this great offensive mind that came through under Mike Holmgren/Andy Reid's tutelage, but he is not. Look at the revolving door of QB's that rolled through Tampa on his watch and then hey presto he leaves and they get a franchise QB in Josh Freeman, go figure.

He also alienates too many players with his attitude and has been called a back stabber by many others.
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Or I could have read through the rest of the thread and noticed you said the same

Re: The all new NFL Chat thread : Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:33 pm  

Harrigan wrote:

This

Go on any Bucs board and you cant get through a thread without someone bitching about the state he left us in

Do you know since 2003 we have only been in the playoffs twice and lost both games? Our record under him from 2003-2008 was 46-52.

He took over the Dungy team and managed to take us that 1 step further but then took us down hill after he made the team his own.

Led you to a division title in 2007 but then you got stomped out by the eventual champion New York Football Giants.

Re: The all new NFL Chat thread : Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:44 pm  

Nikaed wrote:

Led you to a division title in 2007 but then you got stomped out by the eventual champion New York Football Giants.

Yeah, we were 9-3 after week 13. Finished 10-6 and a playoff loss. Its like the 2008 season. We were 10-2 after week 13 and flying into the bye. 4 weeks later we are 10-6 and we dont even make the play offs. 1 win in the last 4 weeks over 2 years isnt the sign of a good coach is it

Compare that to Raheem with his limited options and he has already won 5 out of 8 in that important last 4 games of the year.

Re: The all new NFL Chat thread : Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:04 pm  

Nikaed wrote:

What doubters?

those who don't think he is as good as Brady and Manning, those who think he needs to win a play-off game to be great, those who snubbed him from the pro-bowl, all those teams who passed over him in the draft, everybody who says he isn't clutch.

Re: The all new NFL Chat thread : Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:45 pm  

Aside from this forum, what sites/forums do everyone else use for NFL news etc?

Re: The all new NFL Chat thread : Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:02 pm  

Emiliano Zapata wrote:

Aside from this forum, what sites/forums do everyone else use for NFL news etc?

Im a member on tbaybucs.com but as you can tell by the name thats mainly our own stuff thats discussed.

NFLUK.com is pretty good but my main news source comes from the NFL page on FaceBook. They update all the time and it goes on your newsfeed. Twitters also good if you know who to follow. Jason La Canfora's very active.

Re: The all new NFL Chat thread : Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:45 pm  

Harrigan wrote:

Im a member on tbaybucs.com but as you can tell by the name thats mainly our own stuff thats discussed.

NFLUK.com is pretty good but my main news source comes from the NFL page on FaceBook. They update all the time and it goes on your newsfeed. Twitters also good if you know who to follow. Jason La Canfora's very active.

As you showed me multiple times last week.

Re: The all new NFL Chat thread : Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:54 pm  

Ande wrote:

As you showed me multiple times last week.

When?

Check out the chat thread on Southstander. Loz tried to slate me down for Sunday but it soon got turned around on him

Re: The all new NFL Chat thread : Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:57 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

those who don't think he is as good as Brady and Manning, those who think he needs to win a play-off game to be great, those who snubbed him from the pro-bowl, all those teams who passed over him in the draft, everybody who says he isn't clutch.

Might well turn out to be the most clutch passer ever. He just hasn't done it "yet". I'm 100% sure he will though. It's been hard for him this year.

Re: The all new NFL Chat thread : Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:00 pm  

Emiliano Zapata wrote:

Aside from this forum, what sites/forums do everyone else use for NFL news etc?

mortreport and Schefter on twitter for NFL news.


giantspathanlon
TheBlueScreen
ESPN New York
Giants.com

for Giants related news. I kinda edge towards the NBA this time of year. Mainly due to the Giants having not made the playoffs or gone out in the first round.