Re: Football Chat : Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:42 pm  

andym1988 wrote: can't argue with that at the moment! If it gets too much for you...

andym1988 wrote: can't argue with that at the moment! If it gets too much for you...

Re: Football Chat : Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:50 pm  

blackpool, stoke, now wigan at home. this is terrible.

Re: Football Chat : Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:51 pm  

andym1988 wrote:

blackpool, stoke, now wigan at home. this is terrible.

You're losing to Latics?
Think that trumps the others

Re: Football Chat : Sat Oct 16, 2010 3:21 pm  

We really needed another striker in the transfer window, and the club didn't get one, i said that will come back to bite us on the backside, and it is doing, we have nothing up front besides Carroll, who has been vastly over-rated by most.

Re: Football Chat : Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:09 pm  

van der Sar.

Re: Football Chat : Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:59 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

But without significant investment soon you'll be out of the CL for a few years. Without CL money you won't be able to buy in the players who will help you compete.

Although it is more of a long-term project, Arsenal have shown you can still get into the CL without the need to invest shed loads. A world class manager and a bit of brains in the market and clubs could easily compete. Instead of spending the £20m-£30m+ on every player like Citeh have done, the better approach would be to scout properly and find the right players at the right price. Look around Europe and you'll see plenty of small'ish clubs that have some immense players that they got as 'bargains', we need to be getting these players instead of buying the finished product. Obviously, money can guarantee success, but I believe if a club can show enough initiative, they can make up the lack of funds with brains. The non-stop buying approach isn't sustainable unless you're Madrid or Barca, hence the reason the Financial Fair Play is being brought in. I'd rather we adopted that approach now to give us the advantage when it is brought in.

Re: Football Chat : Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:30 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Chelsea's forward line

Re: Football Chat : Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:52 pm  

Robbie Rotten wrote:

Although it is more of a long-term project, Arsenal have shown you can still get into the CL without the need to invest shed loads. A world class manager and a bit of brains in the market and clubs could easily compete. Instead of spending the £20m-£30m+ on every player like Citeh have done, the better approach would be to scout properly and find the right players at the right price. Look around Europe and you'll see plenty of small'ish clubs that have some immense players that they got as 'bargains', we need to be getting these players instead of buying the finished product. Obviously, money can guarantee success, but I believe if a club can show enough initiative, they can make up the lack of funds with brains. The non-stop buying approach isn't sustainable unless you're Madrid or Barca, hence the reason the Financial Fair Play is being brought in. I'd rather we adopted that approach now to give us the advantage when it is brought in.

While the FFP will help Liverpool, Arsenal have had many advantages that Liverpool won't have. Liverpool won't be able to subsidise their stadium with two large scale property ventures. You don't have the advantage of this being a particular strategy of an already successful manager. With the FFP rules, you probably won't be subsidised by Real or Barca over-paying for some of your players.

You clearly don't think Hodgson is the man to oversee this Arsenalisation of Liverpool, so I assume you want him replaced, and replaced quickly. But who do you see as being the next Wenger?

Arsenal are an example of a club being run well, but personally I think it's as much by luck than it is judgement. Wenger inherited a strong side with a legendary back 4 and a striker like Ian Wright. He won the league in his first season so that bought him time and support. He was particularly knowledgeable about a crop of young French players who were able to flourish at Arsenal before being sold on for exaggerated fees.

I just don't see what Wenger did at Arsenal being replicated by Liverpool. Maybe if Liverpool were to accept being a mid-table side and building from that, but I honestly don't see that happening.

Re: Football Chat : Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:45 am  

The amount of goals we're conceeding isn't good but they're all scrappy ones(they all count). A huge brightspot is the perfromances of Nani, I remember a few on here questioning Fergie's judgment and calling him wankk. Been best player back end of last and all of this.

Re: Football Chat : Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:12 am  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

While the FFP will help Liverpool, Arsenal have had many advantages that Liverpool won't have. Liverpool won't be able to subsidise their stadium with two large scale property ventures. You don't have the advantage of this being a particular strategy of an already successful manager. With the FFP rules, you probably won't be subsidised by Real or Barca over-paying for some of your players.

You clearly don't think Hodgson is the man to oversee this Arsenalisation of Liverpool, so I assume you want him replaced, and replaced quickly. But who do you see as being the next Wenger?

Arsenal are an example of a club being run well, but personally I think it's as much by luck than it is judgement. Wenger inherited a strong side with a legendary back 4 and a striker like Ian Wright. He won the league in his first season so that bought him time and support. He was particularly knowledgeable about a crop of young French players who were able to flourish at Arsenal before being sold on for exaggerated fees.

I just don't see what Wenger did at Arsenal being replicated by Liverpool. Maybe if Liverpool were to accept being a mid-table side and building from that, but I honestly don't see that happening.

I'm not saying do the exact same as Arsenal, but, their footballing 'model' is one that should be followed throughout the nation. They have an exceptional scouting network which they heavily rely on to make sure the club has a continual high quality playing squad. Although we don't have the opportunity to property develop like Arsenal have done, I believe the opportunities through naming rights of the stadium for us will be greater than theirs with the Emirates deal they signed.

Maybe Wenger did get lucky with the side he inherited, but one of the hardest things in football management is to maintain competitiveness in transitional periods. Arsenal are no longer the biggest - or second biggest - dog in English football like they were pre-Roman for a while, but they have managed to maintain a world class side and maintain finances and the rest. I don't believe it's capable to compete with Citeh financially, trying so will just result in meltdown and debt, but I do believe you can compete without spending bucket loads like they have done, which would be my objective.

As for identifying a manager, there are plenty of great managers around Europe, I've just woken up which means I'm a little rusty, but there's the likes of Unai Emery, Ralf Rangnick, Jurgen Klopp, Sanchez Flores and many more. Sometimes, you don't have to find the complete manager, but a good DOF + manager combination. Some say it hasn't worked in the UK but it worked well with Jol and Arnesen, it's just about getting the right combination. It's no use bringing in a DOF for a manager that doesn't want one, but if you bring in a DOF then allow him to bring in a great coach that he has, or could have, a good working relationship with, then I feel that could work just as well as appointing a single manager.