FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - NFL Chat 2
::A forum for the discussion of sports other than Rugby League.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach445No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 07 200915 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
19th Mar 16 16:5120th Mar 14 06:31LINK
Milestone Posts
250
500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Padgit, Warrington
Signature
The Autumn Wind is a pirate
Blustering in from sea,
With a rollocking song, he sweeps along,
Swaggering boisterously.


His face is weather beaten.
He wears a hooded sash,
With a silver hat about his head,
And a bristling black mustache.


He growls as he storms the country,
A villain big and bold.
And the trees all shake and quiver and quake,
As he robs them of their gold.


The Autumn Wind is a raider,
Pillaging just for fun.
He'll knock you 'round and upside down,
And laugh when he's conquered and won.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:44 am  
The Delhomme situation made simple....ish.

This year

The current season remains essentially unchanged, paying Delhomme a guaranteed $3.2M salary along with a $3.125M signing bonus, giving him the same $6.325M – although now fully guaranteed – that was due prior to the extension and cutting his cap charge because half the money in a prorated signing bonus.

Next year is where it gets a bit complicated.

The two options

The first option – exercisable between March 1 and May 15, 2010 – calls for $12.7M to extend the contract through 2013.

What happens, you ask, if the Panthers don’t exercise the option during that time frame? Well, there is a “non-exercise fee” payment of $10.14M to Delhomme, or 80 percent of the option amount.

The second option – exercisable between March 1 and Sept. 1, 2011 – is for $3.4M to extend the contract through 2014.

What happens, you ask, if the Panthers don’t exercise the option during that time frame? Well, there is a “non-exercise fee” payment of approximately $2.535M, or 75 percent of the second option amount.

These options of a collective $16M combined with the $6.325M guaranteed this season for a total guarantee of $22.38M.

If the Panthers do not exercise the options, the combined amount of the non-exercise fees is $12.7M, which combined with the $6.325M guaranteed this season equal a total guarantee of $19M.

Superseding contract



Carolina extended the contract of Delhomme for five more years despite the disappointing end to last season.
The Panthers also have the right to “supersede” the contract during a three-week time frame between late April and early May 2010. This would require paying Delhomme a signing bonus of $10.14M, the same figure as the non-exercise fee of the first option above. In superseding the contract, the options would become null and void and the contract would expire in 2012.

In the event the Panthers elect to do the superseding contract, the future salaries would become non-guaranteed for 2011 and 2012, although $2.535M of the 2010 salary – the exact amount of the second option non-exercise fee – would be guaranteed, bringing the total guarantee through the supersede to that same $12.7M figure above.

Release prior to options or supersede

What happens, you ask, if the Panthers simply release Delhomme prior to March, never reaching the time frame to exercise the option, pay the non-exercise fee or supersede the contract? Good question. The short answer is that they’re not off the hook.

The contract provides for guaranteed salaries in 2010, 2011 and 2012. The guaranteed salary ensures payment to Delhomme even if he’s terminated (his contract, not him).

The guarantees are for skill (not being good enough), injury (having an injury carrying into the next year) or cap (having too high a cap number). The amounts of the guarantees are:

2010: $4.16M
2011: $5.12M
2102: $3.4M




Predictably, the total guaranteed future salary amount of approximately $12.7M is the exact same amount as the first option. Upon exercise of that option, the future guaranteed salaries become null and void, replaced by far lower salaries that are not guaranteed.

These guarantees serve to protect Delhomme from being released prior to next season, an eventuality that looked nearly impossible to the team a few months ago yet would seem certainly within the realm of possibility now.

Of course, the guaranteed future salaries are necessary for Delhomme to have entered into this extension rather than playing out his contract. No player or agent would agree to an extension that allows a team to simply release the player without consequence. There is no reason for a player to sign an extension without putting him in a greater financial position than not having one. Delhomme’s agents protected almost $13M for him no matter what the circumstances after 2009.

Four ways to $13M guaranteed

Thus, the Panthers can release Delhomme prior to next season and subject themselves to almost $13M of future guaranteed salary. Or they can supersede the contract and pay the same almost $13M guaranteed through signing bonus and guaranteed salary in 2010. Or they can exercise the future option payments and subject themselves to the same almost $13M guaranteed (or over $16M guaranteed with the exercise of the second option). Or they can opt not to exercise the options and subject themselves to the same almost $13M guaranteed through the non-exercise fees.

The above is a detailed way of saying the Panthers are on the hook for almost $13M guaranteed to Delhomme, a player who will be 35 in January and whose contract they could have let expire at the end of this season with no future obligation.

Hindsight
G1 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman32302No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 18 200223 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
9th Nov 18 22:523rd Oct 16 16:08LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Swimming against a tide of fekkwittedry
Signature
Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.


Kevin Sinfield

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:37 pm  
ST_CONROY wrote:
Isn't there a second London game? I heard Jacksonville are one team?

Was supposed to be the Jags versus the Redskins which I would've been pleased about.

However, the Jags owner has refused to give up a home game because he's taking so much heat locally over the rumoured move to LA. The league want it because of the Jags poor attendances and small TV market and they're still pushing which is why they've said they hope to announce a 2nd game in a couple of weeks.

However, they're also putting the feelers out to other teams.

If it doesn't come over here I'll be off out to my place in Florida for the game.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach445No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 07 200915 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
19th Mar 16 16:5120th Mar 14 06:31LINK
Milestone Posts
250
500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Padgit, Warrington
Signature
The Autumn Wind is a pirate
Blustering in from sea,
With a rollocking song, he sweeps along,
Swaggering boisterously.


His face is weather beaten.
He wears a hooded sash,
With a silver hat about his head,
And a bristling black mustache.


He growls as he storms the country,
A villain big and bold.
And the trees all shake and quiver and quake,
As he robs them of their gold.


The Autumn Wind is a raider,
Pillaging just for fun.
He'll knock you 'round and upside down,
And laugh when he's conquered and won.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:10 pm  
G1 wrote:

If it doesn't come over here I'll be off out to my place in Florida for the game.



Flashy.
G1 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman32302No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 18 200223 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
9th Nov 18 22:523rd Oct 16 16:08LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Swimming against a tide of fekkwittedry
Signature
Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.


Kevin Sinfield

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:06 pm  
Panther 95 wrote:
Flashy.

Aren't I just.
DAR130 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3383No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 05 200618 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Jul 19 14:516th Jan 14 18:40LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
On t'internet in Lancs.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:35 pm  
Marvin Lewis -coach of the year
Nobody would have predicted the Bengals winning the AFC North so it's a good choice.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member5103No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 09 200322 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
6th Feb 14 16:312nd Jan 14 23:53LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Not Ford Field

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:56 pm  
Have the spreads been put up for this week?

Gunna be a good night of viewing. I'm taking the Cards to win in New Orleans and the Colts to beat the Ravens in a very close game. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Ravens provide an upset if they can get off to a fast start again a set of Colts 1st teamers who haven't played at full steam for a while now.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach7069No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 04 200619 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
6th Sep 14 12:013rd Sep 14 19:03LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Green Bay

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:43 pm  
El Pac Carnegie wrote:
Have the spreads been put up for this week?

Gunna be a good night of viewing. I'm taking the Cards to win in New Orleans and the Colts to beat the Ravens in a very close game. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Ravens provide an upset if they can get off to a fast start again a set of Colts 1st teamers who haven't played at full steam for a while now.



I was going to ask the same about the spreads.

In the games tonight i'm taking New Orleans. They've been sputtering but they still have probably the best overall offence in the NFL. The defence is pretty decent and i just don't see the Cards being that good two weeks in a row.

I'll take the Ravens in the other game. The Ravens match up excellently againts Indy IMO. They have an excellent running game to take down the clock and keep it away from Manning. They are a good defence at confusing Manning (as much as posssible) and keeping him on his toes. If Flacco plays well then they will win.
Adamjk 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3796
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 23 200619 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
5th Nov 21 13:172nd Oct 16 14:46LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:47 pm  
El Pac Carnegie wrote:
Have the spreads been put up for this week?

Gunna be a good night of viewing. I'm taking the Cards to win in New Orleans and the Colts to beat the Ravens in a very close game. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Ravens provide an upset if they can get off to a fast start again a set of Colts 1st teamers who haven't played at full steam for a while now.


Completely forgot, been a long week.

Spreads as follows (if people manage to predict before the games start) :-

Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
1/16 4:30 ET At New Orleans -7 Arizona
1/16 8:15 ET At Indianapolis -6.5 Baltimore
1/17 1:00 ET At Minnesota -3 Dallas
1/17 4:40 ET At San Diego -7 NY Jets

My picks would be Arizona, Indy, Dallas and San Diego.
Adamjk 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3796
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 23 200619 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
5th Nov 21 13:172nd Oct 16 14:46LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:51 pm  
ST_CONROY wrote:
I was going to ask the same about the spreads.

In the games tonight i'm taking New Orleans. They've been sputtering but they still have probably the best overall offence in the NFL. The defence is pretty decent and i just don't see the Cards being that good two weeks in a row.

I'll take the Ravens in the other game. The Ravens match up excellently againts Indy IMO. They have an excellent running game to take down the clock and keep it away from Manning. They are a good defence at confusing Manning (as much as posssible) and keeping him on his toes. If Flacco plays well then they will win.



Will be interesting to see how the Ravens cope if they have to rely on Flacco to win the game for them. The guy only completed 4 passes last week and was playing injured from what I heard. I did predict Arizona above but that was just for the spreads, I think whichever team wins is going to win marginally but I'm looking forward to watching that game.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach7069No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 04 200619 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
6th Sep 14 12:013rd Sep 14 19:03LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Green Bay

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:08 pm  
Bolded and underlined.

1/16 4:30 ET At New Orleans -7 Arizona
1/16 8:15 ET At Indianapolis -6.5 Baltimore
1/17 1:00 ET At Minnesota -3 Dallas
1/17 4:40 ET At San Diego -7 NY Jets
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 80 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Football Chat


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4m
Planning for next season
Cokey
176
23m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
MadDogg
4018
54m
Film game
karetaker
5639
Recent
2025 Recruitment
Pyrah123
197
Recent
Shopping list for 2025
weaver93
5576
Recent
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
homerjsimpso
14
Recent
2024
Butcher
5
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Pre Season - 2025
mwindass
183
1m
Leeds away first up
Butcher
41
2m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
homerjsimpso
14
2m
2024
Butcher
5
2m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40731
2m
Wigan v Wire in Vegas
karetaker
11
3m
Shopping list for 2025
weaver93
5576
4m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
MadDogg
4018
4m
War of the Roses
ratticusfinc
30
4m
TV Games - Not Hull
UllFC
3080
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2024
Butcher
5
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Butcher
5
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
jonh
5
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
rubber ducki
12
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Butcher
41
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
455
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
530
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1270
England's Women Demolish The W..
1093
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1333
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1128
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1391
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1928
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2145
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2383
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1957
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2194
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2659
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2090
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2162
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington - Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 10 384 100 284 20
Widnes 10 260 171 89 15
Sheffield 10 288 170 118 14
Featherstone 10 290 211 79 12
Bradford 10 229 184 45 12
Doncaster 10 215 227 -12 9
 
Toulouse 8 186 150 36 8
Swinton 10 226 270 -44 8
Batley 10 161 218 -57 8
Whitehaven 10 192 272 -80 8
Barrow 9 151 255 -104 8
York 10 183 229 -46 6
Halifax 10 170 285 -115 6
Dewsbury 11 144 303 -159 2
Hunslet 0 0 0 0 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4m
Planning for next season
Cokey
176
23m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
MadDogg
4018
54m
Film game
karetaker
5639
Recent
2025 Recruitment
Pyrah123
197
Recent
Shopping list for 2025
weaver93
5576
Recent
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
homerjsimpso
14
Recent
2024
Butcher
5
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Pre Season - 2025
mwindass
183
1m
Leeds away first up
Butcher
41
2m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
homerjsimpso
14
2m
2024
Butcher
5
2m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40731
2m
Wigan v Wire in Vegas
karetaker
11
3m
Shopping list for 2025
weaver93
5576
4m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
MadDogg
4018
4m
War of the Roses
ratticusfinc
30
4m
TV Games - Not Hull
UllFC
3080
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2024
Butcher
5
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Butcher
5
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
jonh
5
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
rubber ducki
12
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Butcher
41
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
455
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
530
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1270
England's Women Demolish The W..
1093
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1333
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1128
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1391
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1928
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2145
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2383
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1957
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2194
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2659
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2090
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2162


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!