: Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:02 pm  

Latchford Wolvesfan wrote:

Possible but unlikely.

Kauto Star is 3/1 to win next years gold cup, which is stealing money, im desperately ringing bookies to get a price for him to break the record and win 4 gold cup's, however no bookie is willing to give me a price.

Can not see why if he's say 3/1 for next year and if he did that happened he would be say 2/1 for a repeat the following year making a 11/1 double...Bookies are a cautious breed so would offer you perhaps 10/1, can not see why they will not lay prices as you can not expect massive odds and things are in their favour keeping him sound for 2 years plus repelling all raiders twice.

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:10 pm  

Carneys Pint wrote:

Denman's not running again this season. You'll get used to it, Findlay talks so much rubbish it's unreal.

Kauto is the real champion

Paul Barbers been on At The Races saying Denman may well run again this term.

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:08 pm  

Yeah just reading that now - still has to be odds-against him running again this year.

Couple of decent prices in the Champion Hurdle IMO are Hurricane Fly @ 8/1 (Ladbrokes price) and Quevega @ 20/1 (Hills price). Just looking over the three races at 2-2 1/2m on the Tuesday and the form all points to Hurricane Fly but the clock points to Quevega.

The finale of the Supreme was run quicker than that of the Champion but the Champion was run flat out from the off, on the other hand the Mares Hurdle was run bang on RP standard (compared to roughly 10 seconds slower over 2m for both the Supreme and the Champion) whilst the last 3f of the Mares Hurdle (leader taking off 3 out to Quevega crossing the line) was half a second quicker than the Supreme and 3 seconds quicker than the Champion (with the ground having softened between the Champion and the Mares race) and allowing for Quevega not being at full stretch to win.

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:33 pm  

Carneys Pint wrote:

Yeah just reading that now - still has to be odds-against him running again this year.

Couple of decent prices in the Champion Hurdle IMO are Hurricane Fly @ 8/1 (Ladbrokes price) and Quevega @ 20/1 (Hills price). Just looking over the three races at 2-2 1/2m on the Tuesday and the form all points to Hurricane Fly but the clock points to Quevega.

The finale of the Supreme was run quicker than that of the Champion but the Champion was run flat out from the off, on the other hand the Mares Hurdle was run bang on RP standard (compared to roughly 10 seconds slower over 2m for both the Supreme and the Champion) whilst the last 3f of the Mares Hurdle (leader taking off 3 out to Quevega crossing the line) was half a second quicker than the Supreme and 3 seconds quicker than the Champion (with the ground having softened between the Champion and the Mares race) and allowing for Quevega not being at full stretch to win.

What

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:30 am  

Back Quevega @ 20/1 for next years Champion Hurdle is the jist of it

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:53 am  

Carneys Pint wrote:

Back Quevega @ 20/1 for next years Champion Hurdle is the jist of it

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:09 pm  

i presume they have but not in recent years, so who was the last mare to win the champion hurdle

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:22 pm  

Flakey Dove won it in the early 90's. Bilboa placed in it a few years ago for Francois Doumen.

United has come back in good a form as ever this year - at Fontwell in early 07 she smashed Refinement by 14 lengths who then went on to run Whiteoak to a short-head in last years Mares Hurdle.

The jist of it being that if you're good enough it doesn't matter if you're male or female.

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:28 pm  

Carneys Pint wrote:

Flakey Dove won it in the early 90's. Bilboa placed in it a few years ago for Francois Doumen.

United has come back in good a form as ever this year - at Fontwell in early 07 she smashed Refinement by 14 lengths who then went on to run Whiteoak to a short-head in last years Mares Hurdle.

The jist of it being that if you're good enough it doesn't matter if you're male or female.

so if it was up to mcririck the horse can not win although im sure he said that about 5yo katchit last year

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:53 pm  

More 5yos try and win the Champion than fillies/mares too so that's another stat. Celestial Halo went close as a 5yo this year too mind and so did Binocular.