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: Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:33 pm  
My Tips For Thursday ...

2:00 John Smith's Liverpool Hurdle
Big Buck's

2:35 Matalan Anniversary 4-Y-O Novices' Hurdle
Walkon

3:10 totesport Bowl Chase
Denman

3:45 John Smith's Fox Hunters' Chase
Take The Stand

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Planet Of Sound

5:30 Silver Cross Handicap Hurdle
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: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:07 pm  
Today at Aintree ...

2.00 Big Bucks
2.35 Starluck
3.10 Star de Mohaison (e/w)
3.45 Sonevafushi (e/w)
4.20 Tramantano (e/w)
4.55 Chapoturgeon
5.30 Font (e/w)
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: Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:26 am  
WANDERER wrote:
Sorry if this comes over as pedantic, but surely Big Bucks cannot be referred to as an arb at odds of 5/6. For an arb to occur the punter must have the ability to make a profit regardless of outcome by backing two or more possibilities;

e.g. In a tennis match with only two possible outcomes, one bookmaker has player A odds on (4/6) and player B odds against (11/10) whilst another bookmaker has player A odds against (5/4) and player B odds on (4/7). By backing each player at odds against the punter is guaranteed a profit albeit a small one.

Big stakes players search for opportunities like this but they are few and far between as bookmakers view each others prices and will rarely provide punters such opportunities for too long - but they do occur from time to time.


There are more arbs on horse racing than any other sport. The price to lay on Betfair was 1.83 and it's 5/6 or 1.85 with the bookmakers, you could back him with Paddy Power and lay him on Betfair for guaranteed profit.

In this intance he'd be backing Big Bucks to win and Big Bucks to lose with no risk at all to himself.

Betfair is the best guide for horse prices - some firms will lay arbs, Paddy Power often take a view on a race and will stand it for X amount.

As long as the price is under to lay on Betfair then the arb players will come and back it with X firm and lay it with Betfair. As one odds compiler put it "I couldn't think of anything more tedious than arbing" - most arbers will do it in £5 to £40 stakes so you need a heck of a lot of arbs to make it pay.
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: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:21 am  
Big Buck's is 4/5 at the moment and Denman 10/11, both at Ladbrokes.
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: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:40 am  
2.00 Mighty Man
2.35 Hebridean
3.10 Albertas Run
3.45 Take The Stand
4.20 Moon Over Miami
4.55 Tartak
5.30 French Opera
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: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:22 am  
which horse won the 1990 GRAND NATIONAL?
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: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:12 am  
my bets today 2 lucky 15s

all 5 of rubys rides

ouzbeck in 4.55

le duc in 3.45

takaatuf in 3.55 leicester
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: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:33 am  
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which horse won the 1990 GRAND NATIONAL?


Mr Frisk was the winner, it holds the record for the fastest time.
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: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:52 am  
Just looking at the first race today i would expect Big Bucks to run away with it but @ 4/5 there isn't much value, Fair Along is getting 4lb from the fav and back on a flat track should go close, Mighty Man again getting 8lb from the fav wasn't disgraced at Cheltenham coming back form an injury and he also has E/W claims, you throw in Hills of Aran, Lough Derg and Duc Regineri who have all finished in the top 3 in the last races and you have a very competitive race for 2nd and 3rd.
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: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:57 am  
2.00 Fair Along e/w
2.35 Hebridean win
3.10 Madison Du Berlais e/w
3.45 McEvoy/Theatre Night e/w
4.20 Valain/Vinmix De Bessy e/w
4.55 Tartak e/w
5.30 not sure yet..

For ref Bet365 seem to be doing enhanced odds on all races paying a 1/4 odds and going 4places in foxhunters..
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