: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:22 am  

Ian [77] wrote: To be fair, you didn't help by wishing that people's relatives died. Ruined the thread a bit that. I'm sure you're sorry though mate. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this (apologies if I've missed it):- http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009 ... ased-early Hopefully it will move everyone a bit closer to the truth, especially the people who have lost loved ones. didn't really wish anyone dead just said that i hoped he would never experience the levels of loss that some of us experienced on that faateful day, BTW it was great to see some united fans at anfield for the memorial service.

Ian [77] wrote: To be fair, you didn't help by wishing that people's relatives died. Ruined the thread a bit that. I'm sure you're sorry though mate. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this (apologies if I've missed it):- http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009 ... ased-early Hopefully it will move everyone a bit closer to the truth, especially the people who have lost loved ones. didn't really wish anyone dead just said that i hoped he would never experience the levels of loss that some of us experienced on that faateful day, BTW it was great to see some united fans at anfield for the memorial service.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:56 am  

In LFC fans eyes, who is culpable? Just the police? My opinion still remains that one agency/ person can't be held accountable for the deaths. It was definitely a culmination of things. Do you agree?

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:13 pm  

Fresh Prince of Chesh-air wrote:

In LFC fans eyes, who is culpable? Just the police? My opinion still remains that one agency/ person can't be held accountable for the deaths. It was definitely a culmination of things. Do you agree?

Anyone?

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:28 pm  

Fresh Prince of Chesh-air wrote:

In LFC fans eyes, who is culpable? Just the police? My opinion still remains that one agency/ person can't be held accountable for the deaths. It was definitely a culmination of things. Do you agree?

From the little I have read, to date the stewarding has to be criticised too. All they had to do was direct the fans away from the central section. It's all if's and buts. Hopefully the release of the investigation will put a broader perspective on it.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:24 pm  

Fresh Prince of Chesh-air wrote:

In LFC fans eyes, who is culpable? Just the police? My opinion still remains that one agency/ person can't be held accountable for the deaths. It was definitely a culmination of things. Do you agree?

Well who was responsible for opening the gate
Who should of closed the gate to the central pen?
Who decided that it was crowd trouble?

Basically the authorites 'froze' If it wasnt for the liverpool fans using the net to pick people out , using the advertisng hoardings as stetchers and pulling them out there would have been many more casualities. These are the same scouse lads who are later acused of p!ssing on the dead and stealing their wallets.

As for justice - Police officer Martin Long recieved £330,000 compensation from the trauma of the day.

Phil Hammond who lost his 14 year old son recieved £3,500.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:17 pm  

[quote="Broxy Music"]Well who was responsible for opening the gate
Who should of closed the gate to the central pen?
Who decided that it was crowd trouble?

quote]

1 Chief Inspector Duckingfield who orded for the gates to be open to prevent casualtys and death outside ground.Got that WRONG
2 From what ive seen on documentary no police around to close central pen,also how did Trevor Hicks manange to go into empy pen to right hand side where it was empy (his choice)? Not been to Hillsborough myself so please tell me did he go through central pen and turn right or is there another turnstile?
3 Police

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:37 pm  

the police were a set of c*nts.

Guy trys to use advertising hoarding as a stretcher.....people are dieing all around

policeman says ''you can't just vandalise the stadium''

I hope the police that day that pretty much stood around and did nothing as people were dieing can live with the guilt.

: Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:08 am  

getdownmonkeyman wrote:

From the little I have read, to date the stewarding has to be criticised too. All they had to do was direct the fans away from the central section. It's all if's and buts. Hopefully the release of the investigation will put a broader perspective on it.

Stewards at most sporting venues are awful, just fans in bright coats. I don't think they would have been able to do that even if they wanted.

: Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:43 am  

Mark wrote:

Stewards at most sporting venues are awful, just fans in bright coats. I don't think they would have been able to do that even if they wanted.

And go back 20 years and they were even more useless.

: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:15 pm  

There was a good point made in the daily mirror , oliver holt i think , he claims

I tell you what: if this disaster had happened at Wimbledon, or Ascot, or a Royal polo match, there would have been the most searching public inquiry you could ever imagine.

So true , the liverpool fans were stamped 'hooligans' , they even tested a 10 year old lads blood sample to see whether he was drunk.