Re: Peter Fell game. Is it time for a re-think? : Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:50 pm  

Stealth Comic wrote:

Because it's a memorial game and for a worthy cause?

You are right it is, but would that apply to people who have no connection with Keighley?

Re: Peter Fell game. Is it time for a re-think? : Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:04 pm  

Dreamer wrote:

I think that before we start suggesting changes we have to consider the reasons why we are doing this:

- To raise the profile of the Amateur game?

- To give the Amateurs chance to play at a higher level?

The thing is, as it is at the moment, it isn't doing that on either count.

Re: Peter Fell game. Is it time for a re-think? : Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:34 am  

guess who wrote:

Dreamer wrote:I think that before we start suggesting changes we have to consider the reasons why we are doing this:

- To raise the profile of the Amateur game?

- To give the Amateurs chance to play at a higher level?

guess who wrote:

The thing is, as it is at the moment, it isn't doing that on either count.

Cougar fans that don't regularly watch amateurs came to the game. Admittedly, not a big crowd, but nevertheless raises the profile. Most fans that I talked to thought that the amateurs put on a good show.

I think that Amateurs playing against a championship side can be said to be playing at a higher level

I'm not saying it couldn't be better, but I can't see how you can justify the two points you have picked out

Re: Peter Fell game. Is it time for a re-think? : Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:08 am  

Dreamer wrote:

Cougar fans that don't regularly watch amateurs came to the game. Admittedly, not a big crowd, but nevertheless raises the profile. Most fans that I talked to thought that the amateurs put on a good show.

I think that Amateurs playing against a championship side can be said to be playing at a higher level

I'm not saying it couldn't be better, but I can't see how you can justify the two points you have picked out

Well Said Dreamer...

I can't see the constant need to dissect, what at the end of the day , is simply a chance for the 1st team to have an early run out when they are still rusty ,
give the amateur lads a chance to test themselves against the Pros and most importantly bring both strands of the game in Keighley together for a day to remember a decent bloke who gave lots to the game across the town.

What seems to be forgotten is that this game was initially planned to take place in December, when the amateur lads were on the Xmas Break, if the game had taken place when it was first scheduled then the make up of the opposition may well have been different.

IMHO there is no need for change , though I have to say I do like Stealths 3 way Competition idea , maybe bring the Keighley RU lot in as well ?
That could be a really good start to the season and hopefully a good money spinner for rugby across Keighley

Re: Peter Fell game. Is it time for a re-think? : Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:35 pm  

I was thinking some where along the lines of, if Silsden PR had not got a fixture that weekend maybe we could play them. After all Peter did a lot for Silsden. Or even Keighley Albion. What do you think?

Re: Peter Fell game. Is it time for a re-think? : Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:09 pm  

cougarbar member wrote:

I was thinking some where along the lines of, if Silsden PR had not got a fixture that weekend maybe we could play them. After all Peter did a lot for Silsden. Or even Keighley Albion. What do you think?

Thats exactly the type of thing i talked about in the first post.
If Cougars played Silsden PR one year. Just imagining if Silsden had a really good game against the Cougars.
Now that could be used, the next season as motivation for Albion to have a right good go at the Cougars.

Seeing hammering's, dished out the amateurs isn't nice to see.

I know 5 die hard fans, who go to ever home game. But did not go to the game this year. There reason, its not worth it, it will be a whitewash.

Re: Peter Fell game. Is it time for a re-think? : Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:33 pm  

I know a fair few who didn't show up either.

I don't think that the admission price was only £1 less than a competitive game helped either.

Re: Peter Fell game. Is it time for a re-think? : Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:34 am  

guess who wrote:

If Cougars played Silsden PR one year. Just imagining if Silsden had a really good game against the Cougars.

What would happen if Silsden PR had a really bad game and lost by 90? Your argument cuts both ways.

There have always been people who don't turn up to games they consider "meaningless". I didn't go to Hunslet, mainly because I preferred to go hiking instead. There isn't anything Hunslet could have done to make me want to go more to a friendly. But, having said that, I would have gone if it was a league match or if it was at Keighley.

The semi pro v amateur is what it is - a potential banana skin for the pro team and a potential hiding for the amateurs. The only way you can make it more competitive is:
If the Amateurs get better
Cougars get worse
You play it as a "handicap" i.e. they play Silsden first half and a town team second half.

Re: Peter Fell game. Is it time for a re-think? : Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:09 am  

Dreamer wrote:

What would happen if Silsden PR had a really bad game and lost by 90? Your argument cuts both ways.

Fair point. But i think it would be very unlikely. Unlike now it will be one team. Not a mixture put together. Also asking lads to play two games in a weekend wouldn't happen. Also if played midweek, the chances of having a stronger team would be better. They would be playing for there team, wearing there colours and playing with there team mates.

Dreamer wrote:

There have always been people who don't turn up to games they consider "meaningless". I didn't go to Hunslet, mainly because I preferred to go hiking instead. There isn't anything Hunslet could have done to make me want to go more to a friendly. But, having said that, I would have gone if it was a league match or if it was at Keighley.

Once again a fair point. Maybe people are not turning up, because they know is going to be a whitewash. I think a lot more people would come to watch if it was one team, or as you point out later two teams.

Dreamer wrote:

The semi pro v amateur is what it is - a potential banana skin for the pro team and a potential hiding for the amateurs. The only way you can make it more competitive is:
If the Amateurs get better Cougars get worse
You play it as a "handicap" i.e. they play Silsden first half and a town team second half.

I have to admit, i like your idea of two teams.

Re: Peter Fell game. Is it time for a re-think? : Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:36 pm  

Bring back the Tommy Holmes Cup pre season and the winner gets a shot at the Cougars midweek around Xmas.
The amateur team will have had 3-4 months preparation and will surely give the pros a better game, rather than players coming together from all clubs who have never played together. This may be against the original concept of the pro/am game but I am sure the score would be alot closer and far more people would turn up to watch.
If the amateurs are concerned about revenue from the game either share it amongst clubs competing for Tommy Holmes Cup or give it to the Keighley League if it still exists.