Re: It's official - administration and new company : Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:36 pm  

Shame for the Cougars, not what you need going into a season in the Championship, keep the faith and dont give up on your team.

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:46 pm  

obeone wrote:

Disagree there Mick,i for one would not pay more to keep someone in a job.

To keep the club alive the axe has got to fall somewhere,IMO.How else is the club going to pay off that MASSIVE debt?

I'm with you there Steve.

The customers at our place wouldn't pay more money for product just to keep staff in a job.

There's only 3 ways to dig our way out of this.

1) Get more fans coming in.

2) Make the business more efficient, cutting wage bills, letting staff go etc.

3) One of us hits the euromillions jackpot and runs the club through philanthropy.

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:57 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Where do you suggest ?

Cannot say without a roll call of staff and salaries , but if a business losing that kind of money they must start with the high earners.

I know there are many other ways to save money but this is where it should start.

I am no expert in this field,this is just my opinion and the savings would be instant.

You have experience Starbug,what do you suggest?

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:24 pm  

obeone wrote:

Cannot say without a roll call of staff and salaries , but if a business losing that kind of money they must start with the high earners.

I know there are many other ways to save money but this is where it should start.

I am no expert in this field,this is just my opinion and the savings would be instant.

You have experience Starbug,what do you suggest?

Clubs at our level cannot afford many F/t employees so yes the 1 st place to look at is the admin , however you do need some and I'm guessing that you currently have the balance about right , once you have done that then it is all about maximissing revenue from anywhere you can and somehow getting more through the gates

My personal opinion is that all the non SL clubs need to work together on this , collaboration is vital , non of us are big enough to go it alone

I am assuming you do a decent amount of community work , but the question is , does this work pay off , do you have the resources to follow up the work done in the schools ? , do you get the kids through the gates at Cougar Park because of this work ? , if not why not , and what needs to happen to change this ?

Do you make any money from merchandise sales ? , do those sales cost money to achieve ? , how can you improve both the amount of those sales and the profit on those sales ? , you also have to avoid being left with unsold stock , How do you get the people of the town wearing Cougar branded stuff instead of leeds/bulls ?

Do you have the resources to get into the town centre/local supermarkets on a regular basis with offers to entice families to the matches ? , to achieve this , who are you targeting ?

How profitable is your lottery ? , how can you make it more profitable ?

Is keighley an attractive proposition for ' corporate ' type support , do you have the business and industry locally to bring in the amount of support that the RFL encourage us to chase ? , if it's not there is it even worth chasing ? , my opinion is that business/corporate support is either there or not , the business is there in the town and knows you exist or it isn,t

Is the televising of games at our level worth what we recieve for them ? , do clubs at our level get more sponsorship because of the televising of games ? , if not how can we change this ?

All these things and more need to be looked at from an individual clubs perspective and collectively by all the clubs , we are all in a fight for survival , and in a fight , numbers are stronger than individuals

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:33 pm  

More questions in that than there is about the universe, you debating hoar starbug. Bit quiet in Leyther land today?

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:40 pm  

-VIKINGMAN- wrote:

More questions in that than there is about the universe, you debating hoar starbug. Bit quiet in Leyther land today?

It is only by asking questions that you find answers , unfortunatley pride sometimes stops people from questioning what they are doing , most sports businesses are run by people who have been successful in business , however that does not prepare them for running a business designed to lose money to be a ' success '

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:16 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Clubs at our level cannot afford many F/t employees so yes the 1 st place to look at is the admin , however you do need some and I'm guessing that you currently have the balance about right , once you have done that then it is all about maximissing revenue from anywhere you can and somehow getting more through the gates

My personal opinion is that all the non SL clubs need to work together on this , collaboration is vital , non of us are big enough to go it alone

I am assuming you do a decent amount of community work , but the question is , does this work pay off , do you have the resources to follow up the work done in the schools ? , do you get the kids through the gates at Cougar Park because of this work ? , if not why not , and what needs to happen to change this ?

Do you make any money from merchandise sales ? , do those sales cost money to achieve ? , how can you improve both the amount of those sales and the profit on those sales ? , you also have to avoid being left with unsold stock , How do you get the people of the town wearing Cougar branded stuff instead of leeds/bulls ?

Do you have the resources to get into the town centre/local supermarkets on a regular basis with offers to entice families to the matches ? , to achieve this , who are you targeting ?

How profitable is your lottery ? , how can you make it more profitable ?

Is keighley an attractive proposition for ' corporate ' type support , do you have the business and industry locally to bring in the amount of support that the RFL encourage us to chase ? , if it's not there is it even worth chasing ? , my opinion is that business/corporate support is either there or not , the business is there in the town and knows you exist or it isn,t

Is the televising of games at our level worth what we recieve for them ? , do clubs at our level get more sponsorship because of the televising of games ? , if not how can we change this ?

All these things and more need to be looked at from an individual clubs perspective and collectively by all the clubs , we are all in a fight for survival , and in a fight , numbers are stronger than individuals

One way to keep costs down is to use volunteers as much as possible during match days.. Obviously there has to be employed staff to deliver corporate entertainment and administer the club/facilities.

It appears to me that the 'pay the wages at all costs' scenario, has potentialy cost the club. Thats not to say that that is a bad thing, but perhaps the wages offered, players, directors or otherwise, should have been capped..

They must have been nervous turning on the floodlights towards the end of last season.....

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:36 pm  

Whinger© wrote:

One way to keep costs down is to use volunteers as much as possible during match days.. Obviously there has to be employed staff to deliver corporate entertainment and administer the club/facilities.

It appears to me that the 'pay the wages at all costs' scenario, has potentialy cost the club. Thats not to say that that is a bad thing, but perhaps the wages offered, players, directors or otherwise, should have been capped..

They must have been nervous turning on the floodlights towards the end of last season.....

The thing is though that at the level we and you are at there is a lot more to be gained from increasing revenue than reducing costs , the costs will be very close to being as low as they can be to operate , more income is the real issue here , without adding costs

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:43 pm  

Merchandising is some thing we should look at.

We only sell stuff out of a converted shipping container when games are on.

At this time of year we should have been looking to blag a disused market stall and selling stuff on a weekend.

As for players and staff, they're costing more than what the club is making at the moment so unless revenue increases you would have to assume jobs will have to go.

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:52 pm  

Stealth Comic wrote:

Merchandising is some thing we should look at.

We only sell stuff out of a converted shipping container when games are on.

At this time of year we should have been looking to blag a disused market stall and selling stuff on a weekend.

As for players and staff, they're costing more than what the club is making at the moment so unless revenue increases you would have to assume jobs will have to go.

the problem with cutting players wages is you get a less quality of player which leads to a lesser quality of product on the field which leads to smaller gates.catch 22 i think.