Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:31 pm  

forwardpass1 wrote:

My point is, to those who cannot understand, the one who has never done anything wrong in his/her life can be the first to come forward and point the poison finger. This forum is full of posts that cast stones, as the poster above said "people in glass houses" etc. If you think this is a personal attack on you, Guess Who, then you are wrong, but just in case, there is another well known saying, "If the cap fits".

What do you mean by, "If the cap fits"?

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:32 am  

guess who wrote:

What do you mean by, "If the cap fits"?

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Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:29 am  

forwardpass1 wrote:

Not silly really, if whoever had the envelope stolen from them wanted to pursue the matter throught the courts, then they would have to hear the case, and if found guilty then the outcome would probably be very similar.....

That is not strictly true.

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:56 am  

true brit wrote:

I tihink the last poster should think twice before posting on this thread,glass houses etc.

I agree with this True Brit.

However, I also think that people found guilty by law should serve an appropriate sentence that considers rehabilitation and a re-introduction into society that prevents re-offence.

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:27 am  

Stealth Comic wrote:

So when somebody does something wrong they are not allowed to be criticised? Are we saying that people who rob, steal, or have indecent images of children on their computer should not be vilified.

Yes, they should be villified, but for how long? What about rehabilitation?

If someone has committed a crime but several years later has undergone rehabilitation and is now a "model citizen", would it be fair for someone who carries a grudge to rake it all back up?

The biggest issue I have with discussing crimes (patricularly serious crimes) on a public forum is the possible effect on any victims.

It wouldn't be nice to come on your favourite rugby site only to revisit a traumatic experience.

Without the rule of law we are a rabble but without compassion we are animals.

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:45 am  

To start the rehabilitation process there has to be an acceptance of failing or the wrong doing - he was caught red handed on cctv and and doesn't accept that he is guilty.

Until he owns up and regardless of any attempts to put it right - he is a thief and always will be.

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:15 pm  

Whinger© wrote:

To start the rehabilitation process there has to be an acceptance of failing or the wrong doing - he was caught red handed on cctv and and doesn't accept that he is guilty.

Until he owns up and regardless of any attempts to put it right - he is a thief and always will be.

I agree 100%.

My comments were about criminals in general, not just this specific case.

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:38 pm  

Dreamer wrote:

Yes, they should be villified, but for how long? What about rehabilitation?

If someone has committed a crime but several years later has undergone rehabilitation and is now a "model citizen", would it be fair for someone who carries a grudge to rake it all back p?u

Depends on the crime to be honest. There are certain crimes that in my opinion are just unforgivable regardless of whether or not they have been rehabilitated. Murders, sex offences, and targeting/exploiting the most vulnerable people in our society.

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:23 pm  

Stealth Comic wrote:

Depends on the crime to be honest. There are certain crimes that in my opinion are just unforgivable regardless of whether or not they have been rehabilitated. Murders, sex offences, and targeting/exploiting the most vulnerable people in our society.

I agree to a certain extent with the sentiment, but in real terms who will be the judge of what is unforgivable?

When I was in my teens I had a very black and white draconian view; bring back hanging and extend it to other "serious" crimes, rapists and child sex crimes should have their bits chopped off, re-offending thieves should loose their hands etc. Some may think it OTT, others may agree, in fact some countries still practice similar views.

My views have mellowed over the years and although I still think some crimes are treated far too leniently I now realise that as humans and for our own good, we have to try to find a way to rehabilitate and remove the underlying issues that lead to such acts. (I also accept that there are probably some that are beyond rehabilitation so what do we do with them?)

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:16 pm  

In this case the motive was pure greed and an addiction to steal to feed that greed. It wasn,t through need or nessesity - he was caught by a self styled sting and still believes he is innocent. I wonder just how much he got away with and at what cost to the club?

He must not be allowed to keep his position as a councillor - He is a thief.