Re: Bulls going bust?? : Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:26 pm  

Harry-Al-Hill wrote:

Keighley are and always have been a great club with strong links to the community and would do all possible to help any charity or organisation,

However, before anyone at the club has a brain fart prior to the game on Sunday and risks upsetting the real cougar faithful fans can I please state that the worst possible thing that the cougar management could even contemplate is to announce this dreaded Br*dfud Dulls scheme asking for people to support them or indeed rugby league or however else it could be polished up to appeal to ones better nature and shake buckets in our faces for a few coppers,

Please don't do that!

Thank you

Apologies to mods for the phrase brain fart

That would just completely alienate the fans who follow our club.

The thought of that makes me feel ill.

I would be very disappointed if the club acknowledged them.

Anyway, this is a good topic. I'd post my serious opinion, but it's already gradually been covered throughout the course of this topic.

Re: Bulls going bust?? : Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:42 am  

All that will happen is the Bulls will have this whip round.
Then they will go bust and go into admin.

Then start as a new club with a 4 point deduction.

Re: Bulls going bust?? : Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:54 am  

guess who wrote:

All that will happen is the Bulls will have this whip round.
Then they will go bust and go into admin.

Then start as a new club with a 4 point deduction.

You're probably right

Re: Bulls going bust?? : Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:36 am  

andysilsden wrote:

Apparently Robbie Paul been on calendar asking fans to pledge. Shame nobody did same for Blackpool when they went under last year.

I didn't see anyone prepared to help us when our club was at death's door a couple of years back.

I don't think they'll go under, I hope they don't. Rivalries are nothing if the other team doesn't exist but I can't bring myself to give them any money, pretty much any other club I would but not Br*dford.

Re: Bulls going bust?? : Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:44 am  

Personally find it a real difficult one this .....

I have to admit that I was probably one of the first to wake up with a rather large grin on my face yesterday morning at the imminent demise of our nearest and not so dearest.....

1995 and all that coming back to bite you and your one- eyed glory hunter 'fans' on the derriere ....

But then over the years both in a supporting and work capacity I've met some good honest rugby league folk who work their a****s off for their club ,the Dulls , in much the same way as we do at CP and some real supporters (mainly I have to say who have watched since the Northern days ) who are fair knowlegable and generous in their praise of the other teams contribution.

For them to be out of work or losing their club I cant gloat over that and know how we'd feel if it happpend to us ( though the fact that the RFL were prepared to sit back and watch us in the past along with Crusaders, Blackpool , Bramley et al all go through that with little support is hardly likely to happen in this case !!!) and good luck to them in trying to retrieve the current situation especially if it includes some part ownership by the fans .

What seriously worries me now from a Keighley POV is that more of our local Taxes will go into the bottomless pit at Odsal as it has done in the past , money that will make our 20k look like mere loose change .....

Re: Bulls going bust?? : Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:11 am  

http://www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news/578 ... VAL%20FAQS The bit on good news is interesting it says bulls would be debt free, apart from going into administration and starting afresh I cannot see how else which should concern those asked to pledge. In addition to this it appears bank have drastically reduced overdraft which could happen to anyone anytime, however banks have to and do give notice of any changes therfore someone was made aware.

http://www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news/578 ... VAL%20FAQS The bit on good news is interesting it says bulls would be debt free, apart from going into administration and starting afresh I cannot see how else which should concern those asked to pledge. In addition to this it appears bank have drastically reduced overdraft which could happen to anyone anytime, however banks have to and do give notice of any changes therfore someone was made aware.

Re: Bulls going bust?? : Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:58 am  

It's simple. The Bulls directors haven't got enough money. They have to pay their players (a lot) less.

Re: Bulls going bust?? : Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:50 am  

Wooden Stand wrote:

It's simple. The Bulls directors haven't got enough money. They have to pay their players (a lot) less.

These players who have families to feed and mortgages to pay?

I'd be very sceptical if I was unfortunate enough to be a B*lls fan. Effectively the owners are asking the fans to pay their debt off for them. In that situation I'd want guarantees that the board would resign and sell their stakes in the club at a knock down price as soon as the debt is cleared before paying out anything.

Re: Bulls going bust?? : Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:05 pm  

Sorry 'Spymaster' but it can't be blamed on the bank. If the Directors of Northern knew that the bank was relying on their Lease of Sodal as security for their overdraft then they must have realised that replacement security would have been required after its sale to the RFL. Supported personal Guarantees by the Directors would have been sufficient but why did the Directors not consider this as an alternative? Perhaps they did yet still had little faith in their 'Business Plan'. Then something else hit me this morning: Dave Hatfield's article in today's Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/rugby-league/bradford-bulls-ask-fans-to-raise-1m-or-club-will-fold-7593459.html Check the penultimate paragraph: It is still an alarming situation for a famous club. Nobody embraced the concept of summer rugby more successfully than Bradford, who invented much of the razzmatazz that now accompanies the game. The Bulls won four Super League titles, along with World Club Championships and Challenge Cups, but financial reality bit with the loss of key players and a ruinous determination to beat Leeds to the signature of Iestyn Harris. to which I felt forced to respond: However, it would appear that you have a very short memory since in your article dated Friday 11 February 2005 the headlines were: 'Super League in debt to Cougars' crazy originality' which is far more-acuurate than todays comments! The 'Northern' Directors, led by Chris Caisley, despised Keighley in 1995 and poured scorn on 'Cougarmania' as awell as orchestrating the successful attempt to keep Keighley out of Super League, which led to the demise of my Club. Like any organisation, Super League is only as strong as its weakest link and the sooner that the RFL realise that this is the case, the better. No club is too big to fail and I'm sick and tired of HM Revenue & Customs supporting undeserving cases such as football, rugby union and, unfortunately, Rugby League clubs by failing to do their duty and collect what money is owed when it is due. Will you please explain precisely why you have 'changed your tune' about the 'invention of the razzmatazz' which was actually due to 'the two Cougar Micks' and nothing at all to do with 'Northern'? I look forward to receiving your response and comments. I await a response from Dave Hatfield.

Sorry 'Spymaster' but it can't be blamed on the bank. If the Directors of Northern knew that the bank was relying on their Lease of Sodal as security for their overdraft then they must have realised that replacement security would have been required after its sale to the RFL. Supported personal Guarantees by the Directors would have been sufficient but why did the Directors not consider this as an alternative? Perhaps they did yet still had little faith in their 'Business Plan'. Then something else hit me this morning: Dave Hatfield's article in today's Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/rugby-league/bradford-bulls-ask-fans-to-raise-1m-or-club-will-fold-7593459.html Check the penultimate paragraph: It is still an alarming situation for a famous club. Nobody embraced the concept of summer rugby more successfully than Bradford, who invented much of the razzmatazz that now accompanies the game. The Bulls won four Super League titles, along with World Club Championships and Challenge Cups, but financial reality bit with the loss of key players and a ruinous determination to beat Leeds to the signature of Iestyn Harris. to which I felt forced to respond: However, it would appear that you have a very short memory since in your article dated Friday 11 February 2005 the headlines were: 'Super League in debt to Cougars' crazy originality' which is far more-acuurate than todays comments! The 'Northern' Directors, led by Chris Caisley, despised Keighley in 1995 and poured scorn on 'Cougarmania' as awell as orchestrating the successful attempt to keep Keighley out of Super League, which led to the demise of my Club. Like any organisation, Super League is only as strong as its weakest link and the sooner that the RFL realise that this is the case, the better. No club is too big to fail and I'm sick and tired of HM Revenue & Customs supporting undeserving cases such as football, rugby union and, unfortunately, Rugby League clubs by failing to do their duty and collect what money is owed when it is due. Will you please explain precisely why you have 'changed your tune' about the 'invention of the razzmatazz' which was actually due to 'the two Cougar Micks' and nothing at all to do with 'Northern'? I look forward to receiving your response and comments. I await a response from Dave Hatfield.

Re: Bulls going bust?? : Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:00 pm  

Makes me feel sick and angry, can you forward a link to this thread to various Twitter contacts for radio Leeds, 5 live, pulse, calendar, look north etc, in the hope that tv footage from cougarmania is dug out of the archives?

I think people should be made aware of the tosh being spoken and see the news reports that prove this, I don't think it would be bad publicity for Keighley Cougars, just look at the supportive comments coming through the social network sites for our club so far