: Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:54 am  

gordano wrote:

Dreamer,

Please see reply on other post, i can only suggest that you get your facts right before slinging accusations.

We don't sling accusations on this board we "debate" we leave the "slinging" to the York board where hysterical frenzy, lynch mobs and ducking stools still abound. It must be the city walls that have made you all so insular and paranoid.

gordano wrote: I can honestly tell you that the incident was initiated by Williams and Ratcliffe didn't throw a punch he retaliaied by pushing Williams in the chest, Williams then punched Ratcliffe to the head and then punch him again as he went to his knees, and that is straight from the video

Being serious for a moment - If what you say is true then Daley deserves to be punished. You've seen the video, I have not, so I can only take your comment at face value. In real time and viewed once only, it looked like Ratcliffe's "shove" was an attempted punch. We don't know if there are mitigating circumstances (I am not "slinging accusations" and suggesting there are). Keith Senior, for instance, claimed in his defence that Wilkin said something personal that instigated their fracas. Apparently, the RFL took that into account in only giving him a 1 match ban - I wonder what would have happened if Keith had broken his Jaw? The RFL, apparently, are more interested in intent rather than injury sustained.

At the end of the day RL is a contact sport where tempers do boil over into punch ups. I'm not so sure that many RL players have the delidberate intent to cause injury. I hope that Ratcliffe makes a speedy recovery, I would not wish an injury on anyone.

(end of serious mode)

gordano wrote: as they say the camera doesn't lie

I can assure you that Batman does not inhabit Gotham City and Gandalf did not fight a Balrog (and if he did the RFL would certainly ban him.)

: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:48 am  

I think you'll find that Gandalf did indeed fight a Balrog, and whupped it's fiery ass - I know, I've seen the video!

: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:37 am  

[quote="Dreamer"]We don't sling accusations on this board we "debate" we leave the "slinging" to the York board where hysterical frenzy, lynch mobs and ducking stools still abound. It must be the city walls that have made you all so insular and paranoid.



Being serious for a moment - If what you say is true then Daley deserves to be punished. You've seen the video, I have not, so I can only take your comment at face value. In real time and viewed once only, it looked like Ratcliffe's "shove" was an attempted punch. We don't know if there are mitigating circumstances (I am not "slinging accusations" and suggesting there are). Keith Senior, for instance, claimed in his defence that Wilkin said something personal that instigated their fracas. Apparently, the RFL took that into account in only giving him a 1 match ban - I wonder what would have happened if Keith had broken his Jaw? The RFL, apparently, are more interested in intent rather than injury sustained.

At the end of the day RL is a contact sport where tempers do boil over into punch ups. I'm not so sure that many RL players have the delidberate intent to cause injury. I hope that Ratcliffe makes a speedy recovery, I would not wish an injury on anyone.

(end of serious mode)


Dreamer,

I do appreciate what you are saying and at first viewing it does look as if Ratcliffe does retaliate to being shoved in the back and in real time it could be construed as a punch, but if you slow it down you can see it is the flat of the hands on his chest and only a split second before he is hit in the face and then again on the way down, i understand what you say about heat of the moment etc, but if you are like me and i expect you are, there is no reason whatsoever for such acts in our sport and unfortunately i can't see any other outcome but a ban for Williams.

: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:13 am  

Well seeing as the vid is now in the public domain. We can all have a look at it. It clearly shows that there was no attack from behind. It clearly shows that the two players were facing each other. One other thing it shows is it was half a dozen and six of the other.

Well seeing as the vid is now in the public domain. We can all have a look at it. It clearly shows that there was no attack from behind. It clearly shows that the two players were facing each other. One other thing it shows is it was half a dozen and six of the other.

: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:18 am  

guess who wrote: Well seeing as the vid is now in the public domain. We can all have a look at it. It clearly shows that there was no attack from behind. It clearly shows that the two players were facing each other. One other thing it shows is it was half a dozen and six of the other. That would be the response i would expect from you

guess who wrote: Well seeing as the vid is now in the public domain. We can all have a look at it. It clearly shows that there was no attack from behind. It clearly shows that the two players were facing each other. One other thing it shows is it was half a dozen and six of the other. That would be the response i would expect from you

: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:19 am  

gordano wrote:

That would be the response i would expect from you

So please tell me after viewing the vid which bit have i got wrong.

Please feel free to point it out.

: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:34 am  

guess who wrote:

So please tell me after viewing the vid which bit have i got wrong.

Please feel free to point it out.

What you do have wrong is that Daley firstly pushes Danny in the back Danny turns and retaliates, and as i have already said in real time it does look as though it could be a punch but i can assure you that after slowing it down and breaking it down into 160 frames it clearly shows that Danny has used the flat of his hands into Daley's chest and just a split second before Daley throws a punch at his head, if it was as you say six of one and half a dozen of the other then why on earth would Daley throw the second punch when Danny was heading to the floor, the RFL have the same technology which as been used to break it down into frames so we will have to wait for the outcome from tonight, as for Barry Eaton's remark in the Press, think it could be wishful thinking on his behalf.

: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:38 am  

gordano wrote:

What you do have wrong is that Daley firstly pushes Danny in the back Danny turns and retaliates, and as i have already said in real time it does look as though it could be a punch but i can assure you that after slowing it down and breaking it down into 160 frames it clearly shows that Danny has used the flat of his hands into Daley's chest and just a split second before Daley throws a punch at his head, if it was as you say six of one and half a dozen of the other then why on earth would Daley throw the second punch when Danny was heading to the floor, the RFL have the same technology which as been used to break it down into frames so we will have to wait for the outcome from tonight, as for Barry Eaton's remark in the Press, think it could be wishful thinking on his behalf.

Your whole argument rest on one frame that you have frozen in time.

Are you trying to tell me that you know exactly that Daley know it was a flat hand hitting him?
Even you say it was a spilt second before Daley throws the punch.

You have to look at the whole thing not just one frozen frame.

: Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:11 pm  

Think it would be a shame if Ratcliffe did feel the need for legal action. Im not condoning what happened. But imagin what the game would become if every player who suffered a broken nose, jaw etc, after a fight on the pitch, took legal action against the player who did it. Its a very physical game & some times it boils over (like it did here). The RFL will take what action they see fit (which as its not super league will probably be a ban).

But as for getting the police involved is going abit over the top. If it was the other way round I doubt Williams would have thought about police involvment.

Remember when Stuart Fielden got punched by Willie Mason, Fielden just said its a very physical game and it happens.

Its probably happened before and will probably happen again.

Theres a saying rugby league, what happens on the field, stays on the field.

: Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:14 pm  

guess who wrote:

Your whole argument rest on one frame that you have frozen in time.

Are you trying to tell me that you know exactly that Daley know it was a flat hand hitting him?
Even you say it was a spilt second before Daley throws the punch.

You have to look at the whole thing not just one frozen frame.

Believe me guess who i have watched and watched again, i have no axe to grind with Daley the fact is that it was an act of stupidity at the time, if injuries occur during the course of the game then whilst it is unfortunate it as to be accepted as part of the game, but you have got to admit our game is hard enough without such acts and yes i can see your point but it still doesn't retract from the point i was trying to make, god forbid it ever happens on a rugby field but we have all read reports of people being killed with just one punch, i appreciate that may sound a bit dramatic but it has happened and no doubt will happen again