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Re: Chanting : Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:06 pm  
I have head this all before - oh yes Joe!!!
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Re: Chanting : Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:14 pm  
guess who wrote:
But why is it?

Thats the thing i really would like to find out.


I've my own opinions

A lack of 16-30 year olds coming down

Moving on from my first idea, an ageing fan base overall.

The "family sport" concept sanitising the passion of more hardcore fans.

It would probably be a good thing for the club to go and do a bit of market research and find out these things to be honest.
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Re: Chanting : Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:07 am  
I agree that we need more youngsters coming along. If we got bigger crowds, maybe one are of the ground could then become a sort of unofficial 'family stand', where it would be acknowledged that swearing and abusive language was not acceptable.
Then all the noisy buggers could have a bit of leeway at the other end of the ground. (Near the bar, preferably!).
I can see both sides of the argument; I accept the passion and frustration of fans spilling out, I also don't like to hear effing and blinding around kids and lay-dees.
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Re: Chanting : Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:27 pm  
The atmosphere and chanting obviously improve the larger the crowd.When you get more away supporters coming chanting for their team you always get a better response from Cougar fans.The fact at the moment is in this division the away support coming to Cougar park is'nt going to be that good thats why gaining promotion is my first concern although i'd love to see more people from Keighley coming down.Stealth,for the next home game wear a Gateshead shirt,shout for them and lets see what comes back :)
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Re: Chanting : Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:12 pm  
true brit wrote:
The atmosphere and chanting obviously improve the larger the crowd.When you get more away supporters coming chanting for their team you always get a better response from Cougar fans.The fact at the moment is in this division the away support coming to Cougar park is'nt going to be that good thats why gaining promotion is my first concern although i'd love to see more people from Keighley coming down.Stealth,for the next home game wear a Gateshead shirt,shout for them and lets see what comes back :)


Only if I survive wearing my Exiles shirt in the South Stand at Headingley on Friday :wink:
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Re: Chanting : Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:19 pm  
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My complaint wasn't about the abuse levelled at him, it was more about some one telling a fan of more than 20 years to go and support someone else. A fan that's prepared to sing himself hoarse at Cougar Park when he could have been making money selling burgers from his shop instead. You're right, we've had this debate before and i've made my point that I think the rules on swearing are draconian and fly in the face of why mass spectator sport took off in this country in the first place, namely allowing the working class man to be entertained and let off some steam on his day off from a hard weeks graft. I think it's to detriment of the sport because it sanitises the atmosphere and passion of the game. The law is an :ASS: so to speak so I can't justify the use the F word in the context of the "Rugby League is a family game" mantra that we have now, all I can say is that in mitigation for the lad, he'd just seen his team bomb a 12 point lead and was frustrated at a really poor effort from the team that he'd paid good hard earned money for him to support. I admit that I myself let a few choice words rip myself up at Whitehaven earlier in the season, it's very easily done in the heat of the moment. If anything it shows how much somebody cares or can be passionate about the club.
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You come across as a reasoned poster but here I think you are taking an unbalanced view because it’s your mate. Lots of fans swear but not at a volume that can be heard in Tommy Holmes.

People have reacted to loud swearing in this way at Cougar Park for years, surely your mate knows this or does 20 years give him dispensation? Will he get a bag of free rotten tomatoes to throw for 30 years support, and a set of stocks for 50? I’m being stupid now, but you can see my point.

It seems like you are excusing your mates behaviour based on how “good” a supporter you think he is, whilst not accepting the same mitigation for someone who shouts back at him. Don’t you think that everyone was frustrated with the team’s performance? Maybe they were frustrated by your mate’s constant high volume chelping. :CURTAIN: What if others have supported the club for more years than him, put more money into the club, were more loyal, had a bigger shop that sold better burgers etc…etc – does it give them more rights?

If your mate went into the bar after the game and got frustrated because it was busy and he couldn’t get served as quick as he wanted, then shouted “you’re F*ing cr@p” at Mandy, then I think being told to go and support someone else would be the least of his worries. :wink:

The singing is brilliant but in my opinion the loud swearing isn’t.
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Re: Chanting : Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:38 pm  
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No she was stupid because folk pi55ing off and supporting somebody else is the absolute very last thing this club needs at the moment. Especially fans who have stuck by the club through thick and thin.
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From where I was stood I didn't hear anyone telling him to Pi55 off, however two people said "if you want to talk like that, why don't you go and support someone else".

I could turn your statement around and say that they were justified baring in mind the promotions the club have put on for children and women. The last thing it needs is people swearing loudly and putting them off.

The singing is brilliant the loud swearing is not (IMHO).
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Re: Chanting : Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:56 pm  
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At the same time they seem to think that the sun shines out of the players' backsides and that they are beyond criticism on any level whatsoever.


That's simply not true. Again we have been over this before, what people think and discuss amongst themselves may be quite different to what they shout during a game at the players. I prefer something motivational to something abusive, but that's only my opinion.

You could see that JD was down after the game, I preferred to comment "get your head up, we are better than this" than "we were F*ing cr@p". But again that's only my opinion.


Agreed, in the last few days i've been fired up more than usual due to some unfortunate personal circumstances.


I hope you get them sorted.
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Re: Chanting : Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:37 am  
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You come across as a reasoned poster but here I think you are taking an unbalanced view because it’s your mate. Lots of fans swear but not at a volume that can be heard in Tommy Holmes.

People have reacted to loud swearing in this way at Cougar Park for years, surely your mate knows this or does 20 years give him dispensation? Will he get a bag of free rotten tomatoes to throw for 30 years support, and a set of stocks for 50? I’m being stupid now, but you can see my point.


We do have a kind of structure to it.

1. You can't say "Gerrum on side Ref" until your second game at Cougar Park.

2. You can't say "Forrrrrrrrrrward" until you've not missed a home game in 6 months or watched 2 successive Leeds Whinos games on Sky.

3. No one is allowed to make the V for Victory sign and shout " Two! Two! Two!" for a kickable penalty in the first half unless you're Obeone.

4. You can't say "There's two teams ref" until you're in your third season.

5. Saying the word Br*dford or B*lls in any context, including if they're getting beat by 90 points, is forbidden, Dulls or B*llsh***ers must be used ideally the latter.

6. Finally you can't say "Give him a bucket" until you been coming for 10 years.

We don't have anything that covers swearing :wink:

Dreamer wrote:
It seems like you are excusing your mates behaviour based on how “good” a supporter you think he is, whilst not accepting the same mitigation for someone who shouts back at him. Don’t you think that everyone was frustrated with the team’s performance? Maybe they were frustrated by your mate’s constant high volume chelping. :CURTAIN: What if others have supported the club for more years than him, put more money into the club, were more loyal, had a bigger shop that sold better burgers etc…etc – does it give them more rights?


Absolutely not. As I posted previously I can't defend the use of the F-Word in the context of the Family Sport mantra the RFL have decided to force upon us, only offer mitigation. Likewise I can accept the same mitigation for someone telling somebody to go and support someone else however daft I think it maybe to say it.

I remember when I was a lad (and it makes me feel far too old saying that given I was asked for ID in Sainsbury's last week) attitudes were so much more liberal to what you could and couldn't say at a game. I used to love it because it was the only place I was allowed to swear and not get a bollocking off my dad, it still is to be honest :D . We'd go back in to school and talk about that chant about the referee and who Joe Grima had battered and whether or not we'd washed our hand after Carlton Farrell had given us a high five whilst running down the edge of the pitch.

What i'm getting at is whilst society in general is becoming more liberal Rugby League has become more prudish and in my opinion to it's detriment. Of course there are lines that shouldn't be crossed, racism, sectarianism, bigotry, homophobia, use of the C-Word, hooliganism and other biff that's not confined to the 34 men playing. You've got to admit it was so much better down at Cougar Park 15 years ago.
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Re: Chanting : Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:51 am  
Jesus,one F word and people go balistic

How many times do you hear it on the streets,in the town,at schools,in the workplace ,in the bar? need i go on?

What about last season when Barry was giving the players what for when letting in a sloppy try. F this f that.Nobody said a dickie bird cause we all knew he was right.Then a couple of seasons ago when we played York and one of the March brothers (god bless em :wink: )dived on one of our players after he was tackled.
We all went crazy and the language was pure filth,me included,once again not a dickie bird

FFS whats wrong with everybody :wink:
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