Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:11 pm  

Whinger© wrote:

In this case the motive was pure greed and an addiction to steal to feed that greed. It wasn,t through need or nessesity .

I don't know the bloke to be honest but in the very few interactions I had with him I can honestly say that I didn't like him.

- he was caught by a self styled sting and still believes he is innocent.

He will find this his worst enemy, people will despise him even more.

I wonder just how much he got away with and at what cost to the club?

Everyone is thinking the same thing.

He must not be allowed to keep his position as a councillor - He is a thief

True. He will find it very hard to be trusted again.

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:30 pm  

Dreamer wrote:

The biggest issue I have with discussing crimes (patricularly serious crimes) on a public forum is the possible effect on any victims.

I think they have more chance of being reminded about any crimes, just going past a paper shop.
My 3 local paper shops have signs outside and the paper on the counter.

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:32 pm  

Whinger© wrote:

In this case the motive was pure greed and an addiction to steal to feed that greed. It wasn,t through need or nessesity - he was caught by a self styled sting and still believes he is innocent. I wonder just how much he got away with and at what cost to the club?

He must not be allowed to keep his position as a councillor - He is a thief.

Very good post.
I fully agree with your last sentence.

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:06 pm  

How many other people would have been put under suspicion because of his actions??? It is beyond beleif that a business leaves money out as it did anyway.

Let him without sin cast the first stone hey?? He was in a high level position of trust and authority, dealing with issues that have political, ethical and monetary values. He stood for Lord Mayor that indicates his higher moral standing. very disappointed with you Mr Westerman.

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:12 pm  

Dreamer wrote:

I agree to a certain extent with the sentiment, but in real terms who will be the judge of what is unforgivable?

Ultimately it can only be the decision of an individual to decide whether they forgive or not. Some people may have faith or beliefs that guide them but it is still their choice alone.

Dreamer wrote:

When I was in my teens I had a very black and white draconian view; bring back hanging and extend it to other "serious" crimes, rapists and child sex crimes should have their bits chopped off, re-offending thieves should loose their hands etc. Some may think it OTT, others may agree, in fact some countries still practice similar views.

My views have mellowed over the years and although I still think some crimes are treated far too leniently I now realise that as humans and for our own good, we have to try to find a way to rehabilitate and remove the underlying issues that lead to such acts. (I also accept that there are probably some that are beyond rehabilitation so what do we do with them?)

That's a fair point, my belief is that justice should mean justice and not revenge. Although there are as you rightly put there are people who are beyond rehabilitation. And if they are a threat to society then they should be removed from society. For example certain types of predatory paedophiles for examples who see their ways as a sexual preference no different to something like homosexuality. Now the notion that homosexuality can, or should be cured is absurd so as regards the worst kinds of paedophilia they should be removed from society for the protection of kids.

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:54 pm  

guess who wrote:

I think they have more chance of being reminded about any crimes, just going past a paper shop.
My 3 local paper shops have signs outside and the paper on the counter.

Who reads newspapers nowadays?

Victims of serious crime do not come onto a rugby website and expect to be faced with these issues - we've had this discussion before in relation to a specific crime. Unless you've suddenly become a qualified counsellor you are still talking ball ox.

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:04 am  

Dreamer wrote:

Who reads newspapers nowadays?

Who said anything about reading newspapers.
I made the point, about any one going into, or walking past, would see the headlines.

Dreamer wrote:

Victims of serious crime do not come onto a rugby website and expect to be faced with these issues - we've had this discussion before in relation to a specific crime. Unless you've suddenly become a qualified counsellor you are still talking ball ox.

People talk about serious crime all over the place. Anyone who is a victim could still be reminded in any walk of life.
Never tried to portray myself as anything like a qualified counsellor. No idea where you get that from.
So just because you dont agree with something/someone it means they are talking ball ox, as you put it.

Funny that, i dont think that. Everyone is entitled to there opinion. Shame yours is so closed.

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:49 pm  

If the CCTV was set up on the advice of the police then it sounds like something has been going on for a while but I would not want to accuse anybody of any crimes.

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:19 am  

guess who wrote:

So just because you dont agree with something/someone it means they are talking ball ox, as you put it..

Yes, that could have been a touch OTT, just my frustration at your aparent need to say what's on your mind without thinking whether you should.

Funny that, i dont think that. Everyone is entitled to there opinion.

Absolutely, as I am entitled to mine, as long as I express it within the rules of the forum. Just because you or I hold an opinion does not make it truth.

......Shame yours is so closed

I could say "ball ox" again but I'll just say you couldn't be further from the truth.

Re: Lord Mayor found guilty of stealing from the club. : Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:58 am  

Dreamer wrote:

Yes, that could have been a touch OTT, just my frustration at your aparent need to say what's on your mind without thinking whether you should.

So just because you don't think i should say something, means i shouldn't say it.
I bet its great having a one way conversation with you

Dreamer wrote:

Absolutely, as I am entitled to mine, as long as I express it within the rules of the forum. Just because you or I hold an opinion does not make it truth.

I never said or thought it made it truth. Thats the whole idea of having a opinion. People dont have to disagree or agree with it, but its great to see whats others thoughts are on a subject.

Dreamer wrote:

I could say "ball ox" again but I'll just say you couldn't be further from the truth.

In your mind maybe