Re: Capitulation! : Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:28 pm  

G Smith wrote:

But the comments above about spoiling tactics and the standard of refereeing way are off the mark.

At the end of the day, that's only your opinion.

I understand we all tend to lean in favour of our own side as im sure i myself am guilty, but you have to keep some kind of perspective. The reason keighley lost the game yesterday was there lack of fitness and lack of hunger. Batley although playing nowhere near to their full potential, played for the full 80 minutes as opposed to keighley who seemed to switch off after 65.

I'd generally agree with that.

Talk of laying on in the tackle ......... smacks of sour grapes and detracts from what was for 3/4 of the game a strong keighley performance.

Can't see why it should "smack of sour grapes", It's an opinion. If Keighley fans had come on your site and others, making unreasonable claims then you might have a point, but we have not.



Anyway, at the risk of being a very naughty boy I'll say it again, for a big portion of the game Batley played SPOILING tactics. (it must be good for at least half a dozen more bites)

Re: Capitulation! : Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:32 pm  

G Smith wrote: "the worst display of reffing i have ever seen" smacks of sour grapes and detracts from what was for 3/4 of the game a strong keighley performance. No it is not sour grapes it is a comment I made after watching his comedy of continuous errors. In my opinion it was these errors such as several missed knock ons etc that kept Batley in the game and as for allowing that first try, when he was there to see it,, that beggared belief. See it in this vid and tell me that was a try. I think not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--DZazcBYyA One point of note from the vid at about the 1.20 point is the Batley number 3 flying through the gap in the railing and sign boarding. He did very well to not end up injured.

G Smith wrote: "the worst display of reffing i have ever seen" smacks of sour grapes and detracts from what was for 3/4 of the game a strong keighley performance. No it is not sour grapes it is a comment I made after watching his comedy of continuous errors. In my opinion it was these errors such as several missed knock ons etc that kept Batley in the game and as for allowing that first try, when he was there to see it,, that beggared belief. See it in this vid and tell me that was a try. I think not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--DZazcBYyA One point of note from the vid at about the 1.20 point is the Batley number 3 flying through the gap in the railing and sign boarding. He did very well to not end up injured.

Re: Capitulation! : Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:44 pm  

I personally am gutted that we lost a close and entertaining match. The team slowed down and needed to stick at it the 80 minutes. That said I thought Batley played a rougher game than us but they kept getting away with it... still not nice to watch. They got away with a lot I thought: several forward passes and were miles offside on a few occasions. I have just watched the video and it confirmed a few incidents I couldn't quite call from where I stood.

I thought the ref was poor and seemed to make some inconsistent decisions... like we apparently played the ball wrong once (Duffy I think) then Batley did the same thing twice unpunished. Unfortunately I have seen worse performances by referees.

Nevermind, I hope we improve again for Toulouse.

Re: Capitulation! : Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:28 pm  

Jim Bergerac wrote:

Oh, and finally, thanks for the heavily-edited match highlights on Youtube - a real 'video nasty'. .

Mike, as a supporter takes his own time to film and edit games from a supporters perspective ..and as such should be applauded for the time and effort he puts into his 'You Tube ' Channel .
I'm sure a Batley perspective on the video front would be welcomed .....

Personally Jim I think you do the Bulldogs faithful a dis- service slagging off Mike and his contribution to the Cougar effort .

I have always had a massive amount of time for Batley, the club and its supporters , who have always personified the goal of success through limited resources , an aim that you have achieved (and some ) and I maybe naively thought that you would have supported a fan doing his utmost for his team as Mike is doing

I'm somewhat disgruntled because I'm surehis coverage of our games are something that fits squarely within that ethos that you represent and to see it slated so readily is disappointing from a set of supporters I held in high regard until now..

Re: Capitulation! : Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:57 pm  

[quote="Rach"]Mike, as a supporter takes his own time to film and edit games from a supporters perspective ..and as such should be applauded for the time and effort he puts into his 'You Tube ' Channel .
I'm sure a Batley perspective on the video front would be welcomed .....

Personally Jim I think you do the Bulldogs faithful a dis- service slagging off Mike and his contribution to the Cougar effort .

I have always had a massive amount of time for Batley, the club and its supporters , who have always personified the goal of achievement through limited resources , an aim that you have achieved[i] (and some )[/i] and I maybe naively thought that you would have supported a fan doing his utmost for his team as Mike is doing

I'm somewhat disgruntled because I'm surehis coverage of our games are something that fits squarely within that ethos that you represent and to see it slated so readily is disappointing from a set of supporters I held in high regard until now..[/quote]

Rach, to quote one of your supporters


Two of us have mentioned we saw things we were not happy with. Thats not really a case of all Keighley supporters is it.

Don't judge us all by the comments of one. The discussions today have all been typical fayre for after a match. After next weekends match, all this will be forgotten and we can all get back to appreciating both clubs and their supporters. From my perspective, I think some of your supporters have made accusations that seem fairly extreme, but we move on!

Re: Capitulation! : Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:30 pm  

One thing was apparent from watching the video.

How on earth was that guy "fit" to referee a professional game of rugby league?

Look at the size of that gut it's even bigger than mine!

Re: Capitulation! : Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:31 pm  

distantdog wrote:

Rach, to quote one of your supporters


Two of us have mentioned we saw things we were not happy with. Thats not really a case of all Keighley supporters is it.

Don't judge us all by the comments of one. The discussions today have all been typical fayre for after a match. After next weekends match, all this will be forgotten and we can all get back to appreciating both clubs and their supporters. From my perspective, I think some of your supporters have made accusations that seem fairly extreme, but we move on!

Fair play and can take all that on board ......but my comments were not guided by anything that happened on the field ...

As I have said before Mike's efforts are all his own for his club , if we went and publicly slated the efforts of those from BISSA and your fans who work tirelessly for the Batley Club without numeration or recognition , as 'Jimbergerac; has done on here , I would expect the same reaction from yourself ...

The Comments of One can taint a whole club and your post-er should remember that ...

Re: Capitulation! : Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:35 pm  

Rach wrote:

Fair play and can take all that on board ......but my comments were not guided by anything that happened on the field ...

As I have said before Mike's efforts are all his own for his club , if we went and publicly slated the efforts of those from BISSA and your fans who work tirelessly for the Batley Club without numeration or recognition , as 'Jimbergerac; has done on here , I would expect the same reaction from yourself ...

The Comments of One can taint a whole club and your post-er should do well to remember that ...

Re: Capitulation! : Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:40 pm  

Can I just say as a neutral taken to the game by my brother in law (a keighley Fan as we were there for Sunday dinner) I thought it was a pretty decent game, the refereeing was just like any other sunday, with inconsistencies in decisions affecting both sides, although it certainly was not a game you would leave and say that any decision the referee made had been a factor in the result.
There were two turning points in the game, the first one being the introduction of Moore (not sure why he was on the bench) who's kicking game was a vast improvement on the non existent one prior to his introduction, giving Batley greater field position and turning your forwards around every time.
Keighley were bringing the ball back from very deep in their own half set after set. This had a huge effect on the fitness of your forwards in the latter stages of the game on a heavy pitch. The second one for me was the nothing kick by Danny Jones down the left, which gave Batley the field position where they eventually scored from, and immediately after keighley panicked and batley stepped up a gear. Once Batley took the lead,their sturn defence, that they had shown in the early stages came to the fore, and on the back of more punishing field kicks your forwards were dead on their feet and batley closed shop. I thought they nicked the game, when keighley possibly should have held on, but Batley are one of those sides that never go away until the final whistle, and I am sure that they will do the same to other sides this season. Keighley should certainly be around the top 6 though on that showing.

Re: Capitulation! : Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:21 am  

john kears game plan worked with the playing area. he went back to playing one up rugby for 65 minutes and then when you was knackered he let the likes of black,moore throw the ball around and you couldn't cope. i thought semi T got tackled out of the game by his opposite centre walton every time same with korki smith and potter took him down everytime. but i don't how batley were offside everytime and penalty count be so high against us at keighley 7-2 them keighley glasses work well..