Re: From Gary ..2013 Season Ticket Offers : Thu May 10, 2012 10:32 pm  

Dominance wrote:

captain_cougar wrote:

Ilkley Cougar is entitled to his/hers oppinion just like everyone else on here domminence!! End of the day the majority of people on here only express concerns because they actually care about the club and want it to do well! Got to agree with Ilkley Cougar that the club dosnt do enough on the merchindise and marketing side.

Absolutely and I couldn't agree more. It is my opinion (which as you state I am entitled to) that this is not the place to start scaremongering or surmising about cash flow based on a marketing strategy. I also care about the club, but rather than contribute to the rumor mill I thought it would be a good idea to get a club comment. Read into that club comment what you want. My question to the last poster was merely about what impact airing your concerns on here will have. If you have a genuine problem with the club or want an answer go to the club and ask the question. I think the issue about marketing has been raised on here before which is valid.

definition - forum
1. a meeting or assembly for the open discussion of subjects of public interest
2. a medium for open discussion, such as a magazine
3. a public meeting place for open discussion

Just saying.....................

and by the way, I'm concerned that they are offering such a good deal, so early. The tickets are absurdly discounted and that can only be for one reason and that is because they need the money. If that is not the case, Gary should think more about what messages the offer is sending out. IF IT IS a genuine offer to loyal fans - why now? Why not wait until later in the season? And why such a big discount? Why are they throwing potential money away?

For me there are too many questions.

definition - fire sale

A fire sale is the sale of goods at extremely low prices, typically when the seller faces bankruptcy or other impending distress.

Re: From Gary ..2013 Season Ticket Offers : Fri May 11, 2012 5:29 am  

E-mail received.... A superb season ticket promotion for the 2013 season available until 31st May Only available for Adult and Family Season Tickets We are in the unique position of knowing that we will be playing in the Championship next season. As a result, rather than leaving season ticket sales until the last minute (and all the intense administration over a short period) we have decided that we might as well start selling season tickets for 2013 now. Next year the season tickets will cover 15 matches (13 Championship and 2 Northern Rail Cup) and we will be putting match prices for adults up to £15 in line with all other Championship clubs. This would mean a cost of £225 if an adult paid for every match in full. Until 31st May 2012 we will kick off the season ticket promotion with the following prices to get the interest levels going and for the club to show loyalty to our fans. Adult Ground access only £120 Adult A and D stand access £140 Adult B stand access £150 Family Ground access (includes 2 adults and up to 3 under 16's) £280 Family A and D access £340 Family B access £400 This is only available until 31st May 2012. On 1st June we will be putting prices up to, for example, £160 for an Adult Ground Access ticket and £360 for a Family Ground Access ticket. Also note, on 1st June we will be introducing a pay monthly scheme to help with the cost of the season ticket. Visit or online shop http://www.keighleycougars.com, call 01535 606044 or call down to the club to take advantage of this fantastic offer. This season is going well so far and I think it will provide a fantastic platform for next season! Come on Cougars!

E-mail received.... A superb season ticket promotion for the 2013 season available until 31st May Only available for Adult and Family Season Tickets We are in the unique position of knowing that we will be playing in the Championship next season. As a result, rather than leaving season ticket sales until the last minute (and all the intense administration over a short period) we have decided that we might as well start selling season tickets for 2013 now. Next year the season tickets will cover 15 matches (13 Championship and 2 Northern Rail Cup) and we will be putting match prices for adults up to £15 in line with all other Championship clubs. This would mean a cost of £225 if an adult paid for every match in full. Until 31st May 2012 we will kick off the season ticket promotion with the following prices to get the interest levels going and for the club to show loyalty to our fans. Adult Ground access only £120 Adult A and D stand access £140 Adult B stand access £150 Family Ground access (includes 2 adults and up to 3 under 16's) £280 Family A and D access £340 Family B access £400 This is only available until 31st May 2012. On 1st June we will be putting prices up to, for example, £160 for an Adult Ground Access ticket and £360 for a Family Ground Access ticket. Also note, on 1st June we will be introducing a pay monthly scheme to help with the cost of the season ticket. Visit or online shop http://www.keighleycougars.com, call 01535 606044 or call down to the club to take advantage of this fantastic offer. This season is going well so far and I think it will provide a fantastic platform for next season! Come on Cougars!

Re: From Gary ..2013 Season Ticket Offers : Fri May 11, 2012 7:09 am  

View from the full back wrote:

definition - forum
1. a meeting or assembly for the open discussion of subjects of public interest
2. a medium for open discussion, such as a magazine
3. a public meeting place for open discussion

Just saying.....................

and by the way, I'm concerned that they are offering such a good deal, so early. The tickets are absurdly discounted and that can only be for one reason and that is because they need the money. If that is not the case, Gary should think more about what messages the offer is sending out. IF IT IS a genuine offer to loyal fans - why now? Why not wait until later in the season? And why such a big discount? Why are they throwing potential money away?

For me there are too many questions.

definition - fire sale

A fire sale is the sale of goods at extremely low prices, typically when the seller faces bankruptcy or other impending distress.

Without trying to argue every point, I'm not sure I would define this as a fire sale. The season tickets are offered at 2012 prices (ground access)which many football clubs did, i.e. price freeze. Yes, we are playing possibly 3 more home games, however, when you consider fans are still technically owed 1 game from the challenge cup mix-up then another 2 games free wouldn't be defined as fire to me. When the club offered season tickets at a possible price of £60 nobody defined this as fire then?

Re: From Gary ..2013 Season Ticket Offers : Fri May 11, 2012 8:53 am  

Dominance wrote:

Without trying to argue every point, I'm not sure I would define this as a fire sale. The season tickets are offered at 2012 prices (ground access)which many football clubs did, i.e. price freeze. Yes, we are playing possibly 3 more home games, however, when you consider fans are still technically owed 1 game from the challenge cup mix-up then another 2 games free wouldn't be defined as fire to me. When the club offered season tickets at a possible price of £60 nobody defined this as fire then?

Domi,

It's not so much the price but the timing that is causing me concern.

Re: From Gary ..2013 Season Ticket Offers : Fri May 11, 2012 12:20 pm  

To take an excerpt out of the e-mail Dominance received.

We know where we are going to be already and as the club's running costs are much higher in Spring and Summer than Autumn and Winter then it makes sense to get the money in now rather than wait until November when the club's running costs drop to virtually nothing.

Just out of interest does anybody else read this as - We need the money now, not at the end of the season. ?

I know I might come across as being cynical, but I know I'm not the only one. I like many of us have seen the rise and fall and rise again of this club. To be honest the alarm bells are ringing. I'm seeing concerning things like this offer, and hearing other concerning things, that out of respect for people I hold in very high regard I won't put on here.

I like everyone else on here just wants the best for the club. We all have differing opinions on what that is which is why being the chairman of a club is a difficult job, it's impossible to please everyone entirely. Which is what makes this forum worthwhile, we get to talk Cougars and air our views, hopefully free of prejudice. I actually think the membership idea is a very good one, in fact I think it would be a great one if the membership got an elected seat around the boardroom table, a direct link between the fans and the very top.

Re: From Gary ..2013 Season Ticket Offers : Fri May 11, 2012 12:42 pm  

I seem to remember a while ago that there were people complaining on here that our season ticket offers were not good enough! Now, it seems, they are too good!

Is the glass half empty or half full?

Definition: a common expression, used rhetorically to indicate that a particular situation could be a cause for optimism (half full) or pessimism (half empty)

It just seems that whenever Gary’s name is mentioned one individual in particular has an

axe to grind

Definition: person having a grievance, resentment or wanting to get revenge.


I have many reservations about our chairman and certainly don’t want to spend “tomorrow’s money” today. BUT the bloke IS trying and it IS A GREAT DEAL.

…….just saying

Re: From Gary ..2013 Season Ticket Offers : Fri May 11, 2012 12:47 pm  

Stealth - I get where your coming from and at no time has anyone said this forum is not worthwhile. My only point is that people ask questions that nobody on here can answer. The only place to get an answer in the main is from the club. I'm sure we all care and not everyone will agree with you or I and I have no issue with that. However, that being said, this thread started by rumor spreading and to quote "To be honest the alarm bells are ringing. I'm seeing concerning things like this offer, and hearing other concerning things, that out of respect for people I hold in very high regard I won't put on here" What is the purpose of that. If you know something and can share it do so, but what is the point of intimating you know something but can't/won't share. Was there a need to even mention it? This just causes unnecessary unrest. Like many have said, we all care so those you who are not privy to the information you are will be concerned by your note. That's surely not what this forum is for. End of rant!

Re: From Gary ..2013 Season Ticket Offers : Fri May 11, 2012 12:48 pm  

Dreamer wrote:

I seem to remember a while ago that there were people complaining on here that our season ticket offers were not good enough! Now, it seems, they are too good!

Is the glass half empty or half full?

Definition: a common expression, used rhetorically to indicate that a particular situation could be a cause for optimism (half full) or pessimism (half empty)

It just seems that whenever Gary’s name is mentioned one individual in particular has an

axe to grind

Definition: person having a grievance, resentment or wanting to get revenge.


I have many reservations about our chairman and certainly don’t want to spend “tomorrow’s money” today. BUT the bloke IS trying and it IS A GREAT DEAL.

…….just saying

At least this thread has got people looking at dictionaries!!!!

Re: From Gary ..2013 Season Ticket Offers : Fri May 11, 2012 1:22 pm  

Stealth Comic wrote:

To take an excerpt out of the e-mail Dominance received.

Just out of interest does anybody else read this as - We need the money now, not at the end of the season. ?

I know I might come across as being cynical, but I know I'm not the only one. I like many of us have seen the rise and fall and rise again of this club. To be honest the alarm bells are ringing. I'm seeing concerning things like this offer, and hearing other concerning things, that out of respect for people I hold in very high regard I won't put on here.

I like everyone else on here just wants the best for the club. We all have differing opinions on what that is which is why being the chairman of a club is a difficult job, it's impossible to please everyone entirely. Which is what makes this forum worthwhile, we get to talk Cougars and air our views, hopefully free of prejudice. I actually think the membership idea is a very good one, in fact I think it would be a great one if the membership got an elected seat around the boardroom table, a direct link between the fans and the very top.

I would back you up on that 100% stealth as we discussed the other week, would be a fantastic idea to get some elected fans on the board who can give some totally impartial input from and feedback to fans as the present system of speculation and chinese whispers can be very alarming particularly when we are trying to engage new supporters. As season ticket holders we already have a share in the club thats before we spend a penny in the bar. We are all passionate about supporting the club just look at the travelling support (or should i say listen to it) .

Could be a fantastic opportunity for the CLUB to involve us more behind the scenes irrespective of who is at the helm, as stealth said not an easy job and does open you up to criticism. Have any of you approached Mr Fawcett with your enquiries?? Concerns?? I know he has an open office door at cougar park as I have entered it myself and found him to be very approachable, Im not suggesting that we bombard the guy with a million questions but if you have a real issue I'm sure he would offer an answer/explanation. Then if your not satisfied take it further if its serious enough. :

Re: From Gary ..2013 Season Ticket Offers : Fri May 11, 2012 3:33 pm  

Dominance wrote:

At least this thread has got people looking at dictionaries!!!!

I remember a sketch by Morecambe and Wise:

Eric: I've just read a really boring book called "Under a Bridge with Dick and Harry"

Ernie: You idiot, it's "unabridged dictionary"