Re: It's official - administration and new company : Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:02 pm  

Starbug wrote:

The equation is simple , more people in the ground , the more willing businesses will be to pay for sponsoship , as for the rest , yes , but the difficulty is controlling the issuing of free adult tickets , that is the reason many BOD 's are unwilling to do it

But then again solving problems is what businessmen are supposed to be good at , unfortunatley too many seem to lack imagination when it comes to these things

I agree, more people = more business sponsorship, start it off as cheap as you like for the first season and raise it gradual as we continue in the Championship next season!.

Lets try and get a decent paying sponsor for the roof of the stand/stands for the foreseeable, lets say 4 years at £costs£ agreed but they are responsible for the sign writing and the upkeep for the set period of time, so thats no outlay, no upkeep, free roof repair and money in the bank, the deal is on the terms that the club make it! - We can use the Sky games as leverage for a better sum

The controlling of the free tickets is a tricky one I understand, last season the £5 entry tickets were issued, How may of these tickets were used?, Did the use of these tickets cause a downturn on average gate takings? i.e were the tickets being used by regular fans or new fans?, Who is collating this information to determine the best solution of using these tickets to attract new fans only?, until the information is assessed there can be no answers, it may be easier and less stressful to allow one adult free with each child from the schools concerned, this way it is only a matter of ensuring that the tickets are issued in a controlled way (whatever that may be) - Childs name, DOB, maybe just the issuers signature etc...... - so that the ticket may only be used by the child named

Lets keep positive for the sake of the club

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:23 pm  

forwardpass1 wrote:

It seems to me that there are people on here calling fior the heads of the Directors(2001 Ltd), in my view a little unfairly, directors of a rugby club and indeed any kind of business, can only act on the information given to them.

I don't think people are "calling for their heads".... they want a truthful explanation of the current situation (then they might call for someone's head).

Let's face it, Mr Spencer did not endear himself to all the fans during his time as chairman and a few may now be adding one and one together and coming up with three.

If a Roman emperor keeps insisting that the peasants are revolting then eventually they will.

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:21 pm  

Harry-Al-Hill wrote:

I agree, more people = more business sponsorship, start it off as cheap as you like for the first season and raise it gradual as we continue in the Championship next season!.

Lets try and get a decent paying sponsor for the roof of the stand/stands for the foreseeable, lets say 4 years at £costs£ agreed but they are responsible for the sign writing and the upkeep for the set period of time, so thats no outlay, no upkeep, free roof repair and money in the bank, the deal is on the terms that the club make it! - We can use the Sky games as leverage for a better sum

The controlling of the free tickets is a tricky one I understand, last season the £5 entry tickets were issued, How may of these tickets were used?, Did the use of these tickets cause a downturn on average gate takings? i.e were the tickets being used by regular fans or new fans?, Who is collating this information to determine the best solution of using these tickets to attract new fans only?, until the information is assessed there can be no answers, it may be easier and less stressful to allow one adult free with each child from the schools concerned, this way it is only a matter of ensuring that the tickets are issued in a controlled way (whatever that may be) - Childs name, DOB, maybe just the issuers signature etc...... - so that the ticket may only be used by the child named

Lets keep positive for the sake of the club

I like the idea of exchanging sponsorship for relevant services.

We could do a deal with Copper Dragon brewery for cost price ale in exchange for hoardings or for naming rights to a stand.

Willis Walker for cheap training gear, an outlet in town centre we could sell kit out of.

Wild's for pies to sell at the game.

A new digital scoreboard off a local electrical shop.

There's a lot of possibilities to be had.

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:25 pm  

forwardpass1 wrote:

..... directors of a rugby club and indeed any kind of business, can only act on the information given to them.

Not strictly true, directors must show due diligence; part of which means ensuring the validity of the information they use to make important decisions.

Incidentally, I am not having a go at the old directors, I, like most fans, do not have enough valid information on which to form a solid opinion. I wish I had!!!

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:48 pm  

Stealth Comic wrote:

I like the idea of exchanging sponsorship for relevant services.

We could do a deal with Copper Dragon brewery for cost price ale in exchange for hoardings or for naming rights to a stand.

Willis Walker for cheap training gear, an outlet in town centre we could sell kit out of.

Wild's for pies to sell at the game.

A new digital scoreboard off a local electrical shop.

There's a lot of possibilities to be had.

Absolutely, love the idea of the beer trading , this could work, I wonder if the new directors will buy into this idea?, its not for profit and its low running costs meaning that any additional gate fees could go towards the ground, players etc... building our club in a unique way to be one of a kind, yet another ground breaking way forward from Keighley Cougars
(I may be getting a little carried away here )

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:07 pm  

Harry-Al-Hill wrote:

Absolutely, love the idea of the beer trading , this could work, I wonder if the new directors will buy into this idea?, its not for profit and its low running costs meaning that any additional gate fees could go towards the ground, players etc... building our club in a unique way to be one of a kind, yet another ground breaking way forward from Keighley Cougars
(I may be getting a little carried away here )

It's mutally beneficial too.

We'd get the beer at cost so we'd make more money on it.

The brewery get the advertising but more importantly, they get away fans coming in large numbers from further afield sampling it.

So when Rach serves them a cracking pint of Golden Pippin they'll remember it and pick up a few bottles when the see it on the supermarket shelf back home.

Everybody wins and nobody has to pay for anything.

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:24 pm  

A local brewery involved with the cougars? not a chance.

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:46 pm  

Sorry, no more information than you have, thiis is just a general observation, like I said, in any kind of business the directors can only act on in formation passed onto them, this being by the people whose duty it is to do so....

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:22 pm  

Stealth Comic wrote:

I like the idea of exchanging sponsorship for relevant services.

We could do a deal with Copper Dragon brewery for cost price ale in exchange for hoardings or for naming rights to a stand.

Willis Walker for cheap training gear, an outlet in town centre we could sell kit out of.

Wild's for pies to sell at the game.

A new digital scoreboard off a local electrical shop.

There's a lot of possibilities to be had.

' Contra deals ' are hardly a new thing , many clubs already do them , as many clubs sell off certain parts of their activities for a set amount of money , personnally if I was in control of a club I'd be looking at running everything myself to maximise profit , it seems to me that sometimes the clubs just ' cant be bothered ' or it's ' too much trouble '

If somebody else can afford to pay you for the ' franchise ' and then make a profit , then that profit could be the clubs as well , quite often once a club gives up the control of something they no longer seem interested in it , this can result in bad feeling when the fans either get fleeced financially or are provided with sub standard service , this then can affect the ' feel good ' factor that all clubs need to build

The bottom line is getting enough ' payers ' through the gates to finance a self sustaining club spending max salary cap and having money left over to invest in youth development and marketing is exremely difficult , to me no stone can be left unturned or ignored when it comes to bringing in finance , clubs need every last penny of every revenue stream , and if that needs a bit of organisation and work , then it has to be done

Re: It's official - administration and new company : Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:17 pm  

Starbug, I agree with you about bringing more fans in, Cougars actually did a great job with that last season with a 25% increase.

Likewise regarding franchising services, catering, cleaning etc. They should stay inhouse where possible.

I was more on about tangible things like beer, merchandise, scoreboards, PA systems etc.

We've some ad hoardings still up from the Fiji vs South Africa Centenary World Cup Game we had. So in my opinion we should look to trade some this space in exchange for things that will improve the clubs infrastructure or sell on for greater profit.