Re: junior rl 1st summer season : Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:08 pm  

braytontiger wrote:

i wouldn't disagree at all,i doubt any side will be able to contain crigg unless complacency sets in or a certain individual misses a few games.

this has got me thinking to how the Aussies do things and instead of playing age groups they play to size and weight so that everyone on the field is of similar build,i had a good chat with both lance and gadge after the game at the weekend and they both said we played the better rugby, but ended up on the end of a 32-0 scoreline and i wouldn't disagree that we played the better rugby.

now more than ever at u12s you can see quite clearly that some kids are growing quicker than others and at times it is men vs boys and the men will always win. i can see this trend continuing for the next two years at least until we get the levelling off period at around u15s u16s.

i also feel it does the bigger kids no good in the long run has they can rely on there size to just power through teams rather than having to use skills to open up teams something they will need when they play at a higher level in the coming years,has a kid myself i saw some quite awesome kids at junior level and at the time they seemed unstoppable but i cant remember many of them been any good after everyone else had caught them up in size.

im not having a dig at the kids or the teams they play for has any coach would love them in there side and use them the same way and its not there fault they are what they are.please take it in the right context.

ah you know im a great admirer of your set rob and have been shy of showing it on these boards , my lad always looks forward to the challenge and always as. I must pick you up on a certain point though bud . I can see how a lot may think its the one man show but a few years ago i was constantly watching a team which a lot of coaches would say they only use 3 big lads take them out they would be nothing and yet you now have 2 parents players of the year playing for you and to be fair since them two and my lad left they are not as awesome . they are very very competitive but the half back , hooker , loose forward gone they now are but a shadow of the threat . So what point do i make well its like this

once upon a time i would agree when he first came and crigg were struggling for numbers JD was always the lad the ball was given to and when he was tired crigg was sometimes in trouble because the others needed a bit of self confidence . then come under 11s a large numbered squad , still they were giving it to JD a lot i remember a cold night the lad playing for stnley going up to crigg and losing coming away thinking the big lad won it for them but also looking at our mistakes . The same old if he of passed or if he would of not kicked on the 4th etc. Then my young joined the all blacks after a few moths and wanting revenge for what many thought was a unjust defeat at crigg they faced eastmoor at there place .
when the lads were turning up for the warm up JD turned up with his arm in pot "doing a back flip" with some crazy name. so the star player was down not to worry we have a new player same size TH and as you know rob CB so no problem . about 3 minutes into the game a high ball nobody calls a clash of heads TH out rest of game concussion , CB ambulance face rearranged oh , by the way short on numbers today no OG as well so its damage limitation a few minutes later and for some reason none will ever know one the centre JM was fully beaten he stuck his leg out . no contact but only one result RED.
The lads went on to spank Eastmoore all over the park.
They lost JD & CB for a while but didn't lose a game for the rest of the 11s
JD&CB and other big time players have been out and back
Crigg have since never lost a game without JD, so a little unfair. Crigg can play it both ways . they can win by 50 or they can as showed away at stanningley draw 6-6 (best game ive seen)

Re: junior rl 1st summer season : Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:10 pm  

Basil Fawlty wrote:

100% with you on this Rob

a little harsh basil , you have only seen us once unless you did a bit of home work .

we got told to just watch 1 guy in you team . i think that's absolute cak . at least 7

although every team needs a game breaker or two maybe we are lucky to have the biggest , but wait till size levels out basil .
you seem like you know your stuff fella im not blowing any trumpets until 15/16s

Re: junior rl 1st summer season : Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:13 pm  

madcat wrote:

i always thought junior rugby was about the kids developing and not just about scoreline, as long as you are coaching them in the correct manner everything else will come together

well said that man

Re: junior rl 1st summer season : Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:45 pm  

well said muttley!!! but basil it a touch bad for u as well after reading ur match reports and TRANMER this and TRANMER that!! everytime team "has a star player" but normally every time everyone knows about that theat and trys to deal with it but its then other players who then step up to the mark and turn a game around but less of this naming players i think u will find that to win uv got to score but every team needs a good defence with out it u r nothing even if u hav someone who can score 4 or 5 trys a game.

Re: junior rl 1st summer season : Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:05 pm  

madcat wrote:

i always thought junior rugby was about the kids developing and not just about scoreline, as long as you are coaching them in the correct manner everything else will come together

Thats how most junior coaches and support staff see it, sadly one or two coaches want to go pot hunting and only really care about winning silver, they use the kids to make them feel special and its always gone on.

The ones who develope players i take my hat off to and i know its a fine line at times, the others should not be allowed near the game.

Re: junior rl 1st summer season : Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:45 pm  

BIGAL1 wrote:

Thats how most junior coaches and support staff see it, sadly one or two coaches want to go pot hunting and only really care about winning silver, they use the kids to make them feel special and its always gone on.

The ones who develope players i take my hat off to and i know its a fine line at times, the others should not be allowed near the game.

u r damn rite there after all there are young enough to learn and for it to sink in them. just hope this year when i go to watch a game i dont see coaches shouting at players when there loosing after all they are still learning this fab game.

Re: junior rl 1st summer season : Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:50 pm  

BIGAL1 wrote:

Thats how most junior coaches and support staff see it, sadly one or two coaches want to go pot hunting and only really care about winning silver, they use the kids to make them feel special and its always gone on.

The ones who develope players i take my hat off to and i know its a fine line at times, the others should not be allowed near the game.

Totally agree with that - it's fantastic to see lads who aren't immediately obvious as RL players, learn and develop under a positive coaching regime; their confidence goes through the roof and it could be argued that they're the ones who'll turn out more rounded players, as if they don't have the size or pace to smash it up at jr level, they have to work harder on basic skills.

Have I mentioned that Sandal Spartans are currently recruiting under 13's...

Re: junior rl 1st summer season : Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:38 pm  

sick to the death wrote:

u r damn rite there after all there are young enough to learn and for it to sink in them. just hope this year when i go to watch a game i dont see coaches shouting at players when there loosing after all they are still learning this fab game.

It's also pretty poor form to not award player certificates at the end of the game if the result isn't a win, I've seen it a number of times as a coach wants to put sole responsibility on a group of young boys, disheartening for them.

Re: junior rl 1st summer season : Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:54 pm  

Eastmoor Dragons Under 12’s have started life in division 2 with a defeat at Oulton Raiders followed by home victory against a spirited Batley Boys outfit. Both games were close affairs which could have gone either way.
There have been some recent posts on this forum questioning why Eastmoor would want to drop down a division for the summer season. During the mini season we only won 1 out the 10 league matches and it became obvious that, due to the loss of some key players, we were unable to compete at such a high level. Having seen the first 2 matches it looks as though we are in a division where we will be more competitive playing against sides of equal ability which can only be good for the players development on both sides.
Just for the record, the Crig win at Eastmoor, where to quote Mutley ‘The lads went on to spank Eastmoor all over the park, ended 20-18 to Crig
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story Mutley!!!!

Re: junior rl 1st summer season : Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:41 am  

muttley cat wrote:

a little harsh basil , you have only seen us once unless you did a bit of home work .

we got told to just watch 1 guy in you team . i think that's absolute cak . at least 7

although every team needs a game breaker or two maybe we are lucky to have the biggest , but wait till size levels out basil .
you seem like you know your stuff fella im not blowing any trumpets until 15/16s

Taken out of context Muts - my response to Rob was regarding 'big lad syndrome'. No slurr on JD our CT or anyone else. But at the end of the day when players tend to level out size wise so do results. Make hay whilst you can thats what I say!
Remember the commentator on the YC vid who said Easts looked much smaller than Crigg???

Mosts teams have strike players - they are the lads that always want the ball and the ones their team mates always want to give it too - but there comes a time when their team mates want to keep it for themselves or have plenty of other options!!!

Till then enjoy - and good luck!