Re: Can the RFL really pull the plug? : Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:14 pm  

bellycouldtackle wrote:

Manni has been told he will get his planning permission just be patient. Box, Rodders, Rogers etc etc have told him not to worry. Do you honestly think that our council will stand in his way. They are all in it together.

Come on Belly, things are bad enough without making it up

Re: Can the RFL really pull the plug? : Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:27 pm  

Come on belly, 3,000 Trinity fans? We get enough sh8 from other teams fans underselling our team, we played Catalans, mid season on SKY on a Saturday evening I believe, the crowd was 5,017. We have a home crowd of 5K, not 3K

Re: Can the RFL really pull the plug? : Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:31 pm  

Guys,
I think Belly is bang on the button other than a few technicalities.

Belle Vue has had planning for housing albeit now lapsed. This is the most profotable type of use to develop land, I would argue.


OK its lapsed, but getting it back would be a simple formality .


We are also aware there was a planning restriction placed on the site which basically stated that it could not be developed without an alternative stadium made available in Wakefield. All Manni has to do is employ a lawyer like yorkcourt and our planning officer will soil his nappies and just pass it and ignore this previous planning stipulation. If developers can get away with the tricks they have already pulled at Newmarket, then removing such a stipulation would be a walk over .


Like Belly said, Manni is not going to pratt around much longer waiting to make some profit out of developing Belle Vue. He will get fed up, see the massive profit available in housing and get on with it. Anyone who thinks our council will not stop him is living in la la land.

Re: Can the RFL really pull the plug? : Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:32 pm  

Could you have made the whole bent fiasco that is Newmarket up, Council in cahoots with developer, secret agreements to circumvent trigger points between Rodders, Box and Yorkcourt etc etc etc etc. So even with that background you honestly believe that Box is playing with a straight bat in his dealings with Hussain. The architect who is working on the BV site says its all systems go, Manni was told moths ago to sit tight and wait for Yorkcourt to make their play re not been legally required to pay up. Do you think that the council are not going to give Yorkcourt planning at Newmarket , this scam has been set up for over two years now.

Re: Can the RFL really pull the plug? : Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:00 pm  

Prince Buster wrote:

Guys,
I think Belly is bang on the button other than a few technicalities.

Belle Vue has had planning for housing albeit now lapsed. This is the most profotable type of use to develop land, I would argue.


OK its lapsed, but getting it back would be a simple formality .


We are also aware there was a planning restriction placed on the site which basically stated that it could not be developed without an alternative stadium made available in Wakefield. All Manni has to do is employ a lawyer like yorkcourt and our planning officer will soil his nappies and just pass it and ignore this previous planning stipulation. If developers can get away with the tricks they have already pulled at Newmarket, then removing such a stipulation would be a walk over .


Like Belly said, Manni is not going to pratt around much longer waiting to make some profit out of developing Belle Vue. He will get fed up, see the massive profit available in housing and get on with it. Anyone who thinks our council will not stop him is living in la la land.

Yes but it's not just the Council that can stop him is it. Sorry but I just we don't need the overkill as I think we are all fairly aware as to how grave the situation is.

You know as I know that Mani can be stopped pretty much indefinitely not that that helps anyone all that much.

Our enemy is time but then its also his enemy.

Just my opinion but now id the time for level headed thinking.

Re: Can the RFL really pull the plug? : Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:13 pm  

vastman wrote:

Yes but it's not just the Council that can stop him is it. Sorry but I just we don't need the overkill as I think we are all fairly aware as to how grave the situation is.

You know as I know that Mani can be stopped pretty much indefinitely not that that helps anyone all that much.

Our enemy is time but then its also his enemy.

Just my opinion but now id the time for level headed thinking.

The problem is Vasty that we have far less time than you probably think. You know more than anyone the ins and outs of stadia. Belle Vue is hanging together on a thread. It is usually about this time of year we get a visit from the councils stadium safety officer. The last time he gave us a good going over was the crash barrier affair. If it wasn't for the magnificent work of Snowie and his helpers, that alone could have flattened the club. There is no way MC could be expected to dig into the clubs finances to pay out large sums of money to do remedial work to keep the old dump operating. I think you also know if you were given the task and really wanted to withdraw our safety certificate, or give us a list of demands that it would be impossible to finance. I am sure you would not have to look very hard at the place to identify numerous issues.


Manni would not have to sit about too long at all, Belle Vue left alone will quickly deteriorate and do the job for him as it will become unsustainable to operate.

Re: Can the RFL really pull the plug? : Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:24 pm  

Prince Buster wrote:

The problem is Vasty that we have far less time than you probably think. You know more than anyone the ins and outs of stadia. Belle Vue is hanging together on a thread. It is usually about this time of year we get a visit from the councils stadium safety officer. The last time he gave us a good going over was the crash barrier affair. If it wasn't for the magnificent work of Snowie and his helpers, that alone could have flattened the club. There is no way MC could be expected to dig into the clubs finances to pay out large sums of money to do remedial work to keep the old dump operating. I think you also know if you were given the task and really wanted to withdraw our safety certificate, or give us a list of demands that it would be impossible to finance. I am sure you would not have to look very hard at the place to identify numerous issues.


Manni would not have to sit about too long at all, Belle Vue left alone will quickly deteriorate and do the job for him as it will become unsustainable to operate.

I agree but Belly was over egging the pudding and I just don't see the point. Fact is he doesn't have planning permission so why say he does - doesn't matter how easily people think he might get it, it still isn't the truth at this moment. Thats what's bothering me it's a bit disrespectful to the posters on here most of whom are bright enough to get it without the exageration.

Re: Can the RFL really pull the plug? : Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:15 pm  

JINJER wrote:

Come on belly, 3,000 Trinity fans? We get enough sh8 from other teams fans underselling our team, we played Catalans, mid season on SKY on a Saturday evening I believe, the crowd was 5,017. We have a home crowd of 5K, not 3K

Safly not willing to pay full price we don’t. That was the discounted ticket game which wasn’t on sky. Our avarage attendance this year including away fans is 5,011, about 5% down on last season despite a couple of decent seasons. So maybe around 4K regulars is a better guess.

Re: Can the RFL really pull the plug? : Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:49 pm  

Sacred Cow wrote:

Safly not willing to pay full price we don’t. That was the discounted ticket game which wasn’t on sky. Our avarage attendance this year including away fans is 5,011, about 5% down on last season despite a couple of decent seasons. So maybe around 4K regulars is a better guess.

I would say that 4k is a spot on guess, with an extra few hundred on depending on the opposition.

Re: Can the RFL really pull the plug? : Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:36 pm  

bellycouldtackle wrote:

Manni has been told he will get his planning permission just be patient. Box, Rodders, Rogers etc etc have told him not to worry. Do you honestly think that our council will stand in his way. They are all in it together.

Since when does anyone believe ought that comes out of The mouth of Box