Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:02 pm  

Well, just been back - reading these posts after Xmas & election, labour still in denial over brexit - the frustrations they caused cost them the election in Labour areas, and still they don't see it or get it !!! The potential leaders offer all the reasons except the truth, onwards for 5 more years of self denial of what the public want, they should only want what we offer as a party.
How backward in thinking ! Still that's what you get when kid your self !

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:37 pm  

Wait till Boris rings his mate Donald Trump up and offers to get stuck into Iran with him in exchange for a trade deal. He's daft enough. Mind you, he'll probably find a fridge to hide in.

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:48 am  

What amazes me is that brexiteers think every action is because of Brexit. I believed to leave is a mistake but for the next five years we will see who was correct. The Brexit supporters should now worry what else they get from this government with regards the running of the country.
With regards the US it does appear that we just follow their lead because Johnson is frightened to upset his mate. Trump could not even bother to tell us despite the U.K. having troops in the area. We are suppose to leave the EU to gain sovereignty therefore why doesn’t he show that we are now independent. What we appear to have done is to leave the relatively sane EU for the erratic US and it’s leader.

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:11 am  

TrinTrin wrote:

Well, just been back - reading these posts after Xmas & election, labour still in denial over brexit - the frustrations they caused cost them the election in Labour areas, and still they don't see it or get it !!! The potential leaders offer all the reasons except the truth...

What exactly is 'the truth' and which of the potential leaders don't get it?

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:11 am  

TrinTrin wrote:

Well, just been back - reading these posts after Xmas & election, labour still in denial over brexit - the frustrations they caused cost them the election in Labour areas, and still they don't see it or get it !!! The potential leaders offer all the reasons except the truth, onwards for 5 more years of self denial of what the public want, they should only want what we offer as a party.
How backward in thinking ! Still that's what you get when kid your self !

No offence, but you talk about backward thinking and kidding yourself yet seem to have bought the Tory media spin that the election was all about Brexit, when it's about much more than that i.e. tackling increased austerity and budget cuts, most people who are truly struggling couldn't give a damn about Brexit when it comes down to it.

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:29 am  

TrinTrin wrote:

Well, just been back - reading these posts after Xmas & election, labour still in denial over brexit - the frustrations they caused cost them the election in Labour areas, and still they don't see it or get it !!! The potential leaders offer all the reasons except the truth, onwards for 5 more years of self denial of what the public want, they should only want what we offer as a party.
How backward in thinking ! Still that's what you get when kid your self !

Rubbish.
Do your homework and listen to what all the potential leaders say, don't just pick up your comments from the lead page of the Sun or Express.

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:54 am  

TrinTrin wrote:

The potential leaders offer all the reasons except the truth, onwards for 5 more years of self denial of what the public want, they should only want what we offer as a party.

That's partly because the candidates who have launched their campaigns so far, were themselves responsible for the policy on Brexit that annoyed so many Leave voting people; Keir Starmer, Rebecca Long-Bailey and Clive Lewis were enthusiastic PV advocates, which in my view, makes them unsuitable for the role of leader. I don't include Jess Phillips, because I don't know what any of her policies are on anything, apart from herself - which seems to be her specialist subject.

Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:58 am  

Blimey is this still running! Folks it's over, Boris won BY A LOT and Brexit will happen. Move on, start supporting the nation instead of your own narrow ideologies.

As I say, it's happening. You have the choice, make a moderately bad situation far worse - or - treat it as a new beginning and a new chance to take Britain forward. It might not be what you wanted but the King Canute attitude didn't work then and it won't work now. Stop the sulking and start doing some striding is my new year's resolution.

Britain FIRST, party politics a very distant SECOND!

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Re: OT wakefield to go blue : Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:10 am  

Seems a strange thing to post a reply to a near dead thread to bring it to the top of the list to complain that it hasn't drifted away yet.
I only let it run through the off season as it was being discussed in a mature way while the elections were on and we had nothing else to talk about.
Congratulations to those posting that kept things under control on a clearly emotive subject.

However preseason has started now so time to let this one go.