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Re: Saints (episode 2) Thursday KO 19.45 : Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:26 am  
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I remember when Chester first started too!
He inherited a team that was extremely fit and one which contained some quality players who had a point to prove. Tupou, Ashurst, Kirmond, BJB, Finn, England, Arona amongst others. He also got Johnstone and Jowitt, two young player of the year candidates and eventual winners.

On the negative side which quickly became a positive, the team was demoralised after Smiths 6:00am training regime and strict disciplinarian approach. Chester’s introduction brought some desperately desired relief to the tense atmosphere and the players began to enjoy their Rugby again.

The benefit during that crossover period was the combination of happy players who were fit and had a point to prove. Good times followed but the signs were soon there that elements of our performances were beginning to slip backwards, most notably fitness and defensive organisation.

A combination of things helped us to ignore the slide, a number of clubs, Wigan, Leeds, Catalan, Warrington, Sts & Huddersfield, who’d resided at the top of the league were underperforming or rebuilding and their fall into the bottom half of the table left us an opportunity to finish higher than expected.

John Kears addition to the coaching staff brought about a better defensive structure but his departure after 1 season soon saw his effect on the wane.

We had some amazing highlights that made the good times seem even better, 62-0 v Wigan, Tom Johnstone’s rise, Bill Tupou and Matty Ashursts form and the inclusion of all three into the Dream Team. The arrival of Fifita with his smiling, fan engaging performances made us all think we were building a team that might stay in the lofty position of 5th or maybe even a Challenge Cup Final.

The rot however was there from early on, we never fixed the defensive issues, we didn’t replace key members of the team, poor bargain basement signings, falling fitness levels and an unimaginative attacking game left us susceptible to any form of adversity.

Now with 5 wins from 33 games we are cruelly but predictably exposed and our coaching team doesn’t have the knowledge to turn this ship around. This season we are sailing in a flat calm but there are warnings of bergs ahead. One in particular has relegation written on it but our Captain seems intent on stoking up the final boiler in the blind hope that we won’t hit it!

Let’s hope it doesn’t sink us!


Good post, but let's not forget his very first season in 2016 wasn't all a bed of roses was it! Did he not win his first 7 in charge, then did we not basically lose the next 10 on the bounce?! Obviously we couldn't just keep on winning, but I seem to remember it was an alarming slump even then. But like you say 2017&2018 were very good like we all know.
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Re: Saints (episode 2) Thursday KO 19.45 : Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:32 am  
Riderofthepalehorse wrote:
As a neutral, Saints seemed to be on Wakey before they received the ball, either they are supermen, or perpetually offside and Hicks couldn’t see it, Whatever they are doing, the rest of us need to copy it, and get whatever Roby gets in his ovaltine.


Its not difficult when the opposing forwards receive the ball, standing, 10 meters back from dummy half.

Any team, whos forwards arent receiving the ball, at pace, at the gain line need to ask questions as to why.
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Re: Saints (episode 2) Thursday KO 19.45 : Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:27 pm  
Chester & his coaching team should look at what St's were doing last night & coach the side to do exactly that, It was a masterclass on how to attack & defend. They could only do this by getting fit. But Chester never learns anything. What St's did last night is not unachievable, But a new mindset, coaching wise has to be set
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Re: Saints (episode 2) Thursday KO 19.45 : Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:41 pm  
Riderofthepalehorse wrote:
As a neutral, Saints seemed to be on Wakey before they received the ball, either they are supermen, or perpetually offside and Hicks couldn’t see it, Whatever they are doing, the rest of us need to copy it, and get whatever Roby gets in his ovaltine.


Saints were indeed marginally off-side for the entire game, they also got away with a lot of second efforts in the tackle. However, we were perpetually off-side and we messed around in the ruck.

The difference was that Saints were doing it to gain an advantage. We ere doing it to slow the game down or because we simply couldn't get back on side, either because we weren't fit or weren't motivated.

I can't complain at Saints for taking advantage of a weak ref. A Ref who by the way had he not been so lax would have been officiating over a 70+ massacre.

The tragedy is Roby was no better than Wood on the night, the difference was Wood was playing alone whilst Roby was part of a machine.
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