Re: First Time for everything : Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:20 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Yes but the majority of those players going to the NRL are from out top 10%.

And it goes with out saying that it out top teams were in the Astralian S L playing week in week out they would get pasterd

Re: First Time for everything : Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:07 pm  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

The amount going to the nrl is and will be shortly become less and less, they don’t need our backs and we’re not producing forwards like graham, Burgess, Ellis anymore. I’d go as far to say our game is completely SXXT

Any cream will continue to get picked off as they do now. What we’ll also see moving forward is even less quality coming from overseas to here. The NRL intend to expand to 17 team in just two seasons time and then to 18 after that. They will need more players so the real quality that cone now like Sezer, Tetevano, Coote, Reynolds and the likes of Tanginoa for us won’t he coming over here and the overall standard will dip further.

Re: First Time for everything : Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:11 pm  

vastman wrote:

Your wrong in one respect. It’s not the players as proved by the number of British players who make it in the NRL and I reckon it could be more but chances are limited and British players by and large don’t travel well.

No the problem is the coaching and the structure, always has been.

I think we are way behind in many aspects, financially, player pool, coaching.... etc. Of course British players can make it over in the NRL but it seems to becoming less and less, is that a quality reason or a ‘not having another Bateman/Williams episode again’. In the 2017 WC we came within a cats cockhair of winning the WC, I just can’t see that this year at all, especially after witnessing that last night and GB getting pumped by Tonga, NZ and PNG on their last tour. As Mopsey said we just don’t seem to be producing the Ellis’s, Peacocks etc anymore. Happy to be proven wrong as I love nothing more than knocking the ten bells out of the Aussies and co.

Re: First Time for everything : Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:50 pm  

NRL is different tactically to our game I wouldn't swap there's for ours I find it quite boring so don't bother watching it

Re: First Time for everything : Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:19 pm  

Pat Bateman wrote:

I think we are way behind in many aspects, financially, player pool, coaching.... etc. Of course British players can make it over in the NRL but it seems to becoming less and less, is that a quality reason or a ‘not having another Bateman/Williams episode again’. In the 2017 WC we came within a cats cockhair of winning the WC, I just can’t see that this year at all, especially after witnessing that last night and GB getting pumped by Tonga, NZ and PNG on their last tour. As Mopsey said we just don’t seem to be producing the Ellis’s, Peacocks etc anymore. Happy to be proven wrong as I love nothing more than knocking the ten bells out of the Aussies and co.

I agree the player pool is smaller but who’s fault is that. There is nothing magical about the Aussie race for want of a better expression.

It all starts at grass roots and schools two areas we totally ignore. Get that right and the rest follows.

Also if you took away the somoans etc it would be a hugely degraded comp. Imagine if France offered such a ready talent pool.

The Aussies simply have people in charge who by and large make it happen.

I don’t think we can ever catch up now, we had a chance in the 90’s but that’s long gone.

Re: First Time for everything : Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:38 pm  

vastman wrote:

I agree the player pool is smaller but who’s fault is that. There is nothing magical about the Aussie race for want of a better expression.

It all starts at grass roots and schools two areas we totally ignore. Get that right and the rest follows.

Also if you took away the somoans etc it would be a hugely degraded comp. Imagine if France offered such a ready talent pool.

The Aussies simply have people in charge who by and large make it happen.

I don’t think we can ever catch up now, we had a chance in the 90’s but that’s long gone.

Il give you an example cas high get 6 teams to the schools cup final every year, fantastic achievement, but haven’t produced one player for years so what’s going wrong. It’s just so poor

Re: First Time for everything : Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:55 pm  

vastman wrote:

I agree the player pool is smaller but who’s fault is that. There is nothing magical about the Aussie race for want of a better expression.

It all starts at grass roots and schools two areas we totally ignore. Get that right and the rest follows.

Also if you took away the somoans etc it would be a hugely degraded comp. Imagine if France offered such a ready talent pool.

The Aussies simply have people in charge who by and large make it happen.

I don’t think we can ever catch up now, we had a chance in the 90’s but that’s long gone.

Totally agree. The pool of Polynesian players in the NRL never mind PNG and players of aboriginal heritage is unreal.

Re: First Time for everything : Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:55 pm  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

Il give you an example cas high get 6 teams to the schools cup final every year, fantastic achievement, but haven’t produced one player for years so what’s going wrong. It’s just so poor

Sickening is that really

Re: First Time for everything : Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:12 pm  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

Il give you an example cas high get 6 teams to the schools cup final every year, fantastic achievement, but haven’t produced one player for years so what’s going wrong. It’s just so poor

I think junior rugby is a big part of it , both my lads have played aussie teams on aussie soil and learned that they dont play much on age groups they match more on size so the little guys dont get fed up of been hurt and then its not easy for big lads just yo run over the littlr guys. This is somthing ive seen many a time in junior rugby give the ball to the big guy.they also have schools what are fully focused on rugby like keebra park up in the gold coast area the amount NRL and SL they produced is what you could say is the complete opposite of cas high.

Not that it matters when my youngest went out here in 19 they actually won 3 out of 4 so there is somthing to look to

Re: First Time for everything : Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:03 pm  

Its also the strength in depth theyve got the aussies could put a 2nd 3rd and probably 4th team out that would beat all other nations look at fullback dufty been released and he would walk into any sl team at fb and he would be about 10th chouce for aussie number 1 shirt