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Re: Bobby's case against RFL : Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:18 pm  
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It didn't nullify but it reduced the number.
But to be honest, for that generation, who didn't.

I worked on this for a few years.
Unfortunately many of the miners were ripped off by unions and solicitors trying to take an extra cut. A few ended in jail terms.
All public knowledge now so I'm not saying anything confidential.

Interesting stuff, although I bet it was pretty bleak for a lot of people too.
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Re: Bobby's case against RFL : Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:29 pm  
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It's a really difficult one.

There is a maxim in law called "volenti non fit injuria", which states basically that if you partake in risky activity, you assume the risk and can't complain if the risks happen (you volunteer to the risk of injury). In relation to rugby, however, the scientific knowledge potentially wasn't there, and you have to judge it on the basis of scientific evidence at the time.

There was also the culture at the time, of very aggressive play, fights not heavily penalised, punch-ups frequent (of which Bobbie was a regular and enthusiastic participant), with players encouraged to shake their heads and get on with it.

On the other hand, I feel for players who gave their all in a style we loved and are now suffering for it.

Also, I can't deny that my concern is for the game I follow. The RFL insurers will pick up the tab, if there is to be one, but my worry is that the cost of player-insurance will then become too expensive for the game, and the knowledge of a problem that is more to do with how it was played and managed thirty years ago than now will discourage players, so these legal actions may kill the game as we know it.


You would hope that the RFL would consult the powers-that-be at the NFL over how they deal with it as they obviously underwent the same issues a few years ago when CTE was first discovered and American Football is still as popular as ever over there.
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Re: Bobby's case against RFL : Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:53 pm  
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What do people think to this? Seems to be a lot of opinion both ways.

Personally I think there is a certain duty of care all employers need to consider and in a contact sport it certainly is an issue that needs to be managed well (and I think the RFL are putting a lot of effort into it.

However, I'm not sure you can go back in time and sue for something no one else really knew at the time either. All sports have learned more about head injuries recently, and I though I don't really know the medical side as well as some do, it seems to be being taken seriously.


Its not just the dementia, there are many other conditions caused by repeated bangs to the head..
My own problem is balance which varies from normal to looking as if i'm drunk. It very rarely goes to the drunk like effect but you never know when it is going to come on so you restrict the distance you stray from home.
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Re: Bobby's case against RFL : Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:31 am  
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Its not just the dementia, there are many other conditions caused by repeated bangs to the head..
My own problem is balance which varies from normal to looking as if i'm drunk. It very rarely goes to the drunk like effect but you never know when it is going to come on so you restrict the distance you stray from home.


The question here isn’t the effects so much as the cause.

Dementia is a natural occurrence even in the relatively young so it’s very difficult to say whether it was just one of those things or brought on by circumstance.

In the case of a RL player in some cases it will have been but in others it’s probably nothing to do with it but how do you prove it.

This makes compensation hugely difficult, like it or not the game that gets it money via the fans one way or another cannot be expected to compensate every ex pro with the condition, there are limits.

For me the starting point should be the moment the authorities became truly aware of the issue. It’s all to easy to label those in charge as callous or incompetent but in truth they generally go along with the consensus of the time. It’s a bit much to expect a tiny sport to pioneer research on head injuries.

For this reason I’d personally limit it to the last 15 years, years in which the issue has been in the public domain in concerted way.

So bad luck Bobby because you don’t fall into that range and you know it. If you do have issues then you have my condolences but sadly imho no one is to blame in the case of your generation for the simple reason that few outside a medical elite had any idea.

NGBW, I know your issues, mine are not the same but I to have issues that make being out and about tricky at times. Five years ago I had bladder cancer. I’m ok now but it’s left me vulnerable. I’m not incontinent but one day I know I won’t make it to a loo within the five minute max warning I get :D it will be embarrassing but I’m prepared.

I bring this up only because I sometimes wonder whether it was random or there was a cause. I smoked as a young man though stopped years before my cancer, was that the cause? When I was smoking it was well known about lung cancer but nobody ever mentioned the hundreds of other things it was meant to cause, bladder cancer being one. Where does it stop? Who do I blame and who do I sue?

I can’t help but think much of this is fuelled by ambulance chasing lawyers, I expect one at my door any day now :(

It’s a curse if the modern world to me, there comes a time where on Balance you just have to accept, life’s like that, you can’t be compensated for everything, you take the rough with the smooth.

I’m talking in general here not about your issues in particular, obviously I’ve no idea regarding your case and wouldn’t presume.
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Re: Bobby's case against RFL : Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:17 am  
May have been raised before but surely no worse sport for head injury issues than boxing.
The implications of that sport has been known about for decades - i wander what % of boxers developed dementia? You’d think it would be very high in that sport if trauma to the head is a cause?
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Re: Bobby's case against RFL : Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:45 pm  
1315trinity wrote:
May have been raised before but surely no worse sport for head injury issues than boxing.
The implications of that sport has been known about for decade bdes - i wander what % of boxers developed dementia? You’d think it would be very high in that sport if trauma to the head is a cause?


I make no comment on the rights and wrongs of this because a) dementia brain injuries are pretty horrendous b) I dont know the circumstances

Boxing one is quite interesting as the sole intent of a professional boxer is to disable their opponent - one obvious that is by repeatedly hitting someone in the head with a view to knocking them out.


Whereas head impacts in the game of rugby are actually largely a result of the rules and or the interpretation of them by the officials. Trouble is if this case is proven then as already said the rfl insurers will have to pay out and it won't just be for these cases!

So suspect the long term impact on the rules will be quite profound
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