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Make or break seasons : Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:28 am  
As a club, this is a huge season for us and a lot depends on certain players fulfilling their potential IMO.

1: Ryan Hampshire, if he is to be the HB that he and his fans (myself included) claim him to be, he needs to prove it this season, end of and no excuses. Those who bang on about his ability need to be proved right or it's going to get embarrassing. Signs were not good on Boxing day, yes the whole team was poor but I saw no real attempt by Hampshire to take the game on, his performance was limp and it shouldn't have been in a game where he could have showcased his talents, the one who actually did what I expected Ryan to do was Josh Wood. He's not a right off yet, but for those deluded enough, yep deluded, to think he should replace Miller and especially Brough need to look again. No doubt the talent is there but no real signs as yet that he's anywhere near the old man.

2: Tom Johnstone, his problems are as much in the mind as the body. I've never had a sporting injury but I have suffered a serious illness and the fightback takes place in the head as much as the body. You have to work hard and be brave before you trust your body again. He's done it once let's hope he does it again. If he does we have one of the best wingers I've ever seen anywhere entering his prime.

3: David Fifita, the big Bopper is all people say he is, no doubt. However, there is also no doubt that Dave doesn't always have it right in his head, there is still an element of the class clown in Dave. I don't want that to go completely but at 30 its a good time to become more mature and focussed. If he does so and starts to truly lead he can in his own way be every bit as good as Andrew and now is the time.

4: Danny Brough, this is his last stanza and in his own words, he has unfinished business at Trinity. We need him to perform and to do so he needs to adapt himself better. Danny wants to be the centre of everything, this is fine at 25 where your deeds match your demands, that is no longer the case. Danny needs to pace himself and use his gifts sparingly, we don't need Danny to be magic 80 minutes a game, let the others take the strain, just be there when it matters.

There are others for whom its a big year but for these, it's not the end of the story nor in fairness are they quite as 'special' IMHO as the players mentioned above can be when on song. However there are others who's form would also make a huge difference - Walkers, Lyne, Tupou, Miller, Ashurst, Arona, Tanginoa and one of the Woods for starters but as its a team game then basically they all need to be the best versions of themselves that they can manage. If so and with a little chuffing luck then who knows.

Others, of course, may see it differently.

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Re: Make or break seasons : Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:07 am  
I agree with Hampshire, although to be fair to him, he's never really had the chance to prove it in the position he wants to be in, at half-back. Whether that's his best position is hard to know, as he hasn't played much there, but he has the chance to prove himself as an outstanding full back.

I didn't go to the Boxing Day game but I wouldn't read too much into any performances there. Blow off a few cobwebs, escape uninjured, help some new boys gel in. They are the games for players like Josh Wood to prove themselves, not Rocky.

I think you're wrong about Fifita. He will never be a player like Andrew. Just because they are identical twins does not mean they are of identical temperaments and steel, and David's character is what it is. I have identical twins and they are chalk and cheese in terms of personality and internal drive, and you wouldn't be able to instil in one what the other has. There is a reason why he was a fringe player at Cronulla whilst his brother was their outstanding player in their Grand Final win and regularly turning out for Tonga. Andrew has something more steely about him, and if David doesnt have as much, that's just how it is, but he had enough before his foot injury to be on the Man of Steel leader board.

Until his hand injury, Broughy was outstanding. We'll find out this year how much that had an effect, as he has presumably recovered from it.

I know what you mean about Johnstone. I can't wait to see him play again, but every time he strides out I'll be holding my breath. Let him have a quiet season, by his standards, and get through it unscathed. From following him on instagram, it looks like he has taken his rehab very seriously and professionally. What I don't know is whether once you have your ACL injured and repaired, it is then better and stronger, because it has been strengthened in the surgery, or whether it is always weaker because it has been damaged.
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Re: Make or break seasons : Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:22 am  
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I agree with Hampshire, although to be fair to him, he's never really had the chance to prove it in the position he wants to be in, at half-back. Whether that's his best position is hard to know, as he hasn't played much there, but he has the chance to prove himself as an outstanding full back.

I didn't go to the Boxing Day game but I wouldn't read too much into any performances there. Blow off a few cobwebs, escape uninjured, help some new boys gel in. They are the games for players like Josh Wood to prove themselves, not Rocky.

I think you're wrong about Fifita. He will never be a player like Andrew. Just because they are identical twins does not mean they are of identical temperaments and steel, and David's character is what it is. I have identical twins and they are chalk and cheese in terms of personality and internal drive, and you wouldn't be able to instil in one what the other has. There is a reason why he was a fringe player at Cronulla whilst his brother was their outstanding player in their Grand Final win and regularly turning out for Tonga. Andrew has something more steely about him, and if David doesnt have as much, that's just how it is, but he had enough before his foot injury to be on the Man of Steel leader board.

Until his hand injury, Broughy was outstanding. We'll find out this year how much that had an effect, as he has presumably recovered from it.

I know what you mean about Johnstone. I can't wait to see him play again, but every time he strides out I'll be holding my breath. Let him have a quiet season, by his standards, and get through it unscathed. From following him on instagram, it looks like he has taken his rehab very seriously and professionally. What I don't know is whether once you have your ACL injured and repaired, it is then better and stronger, because it has been strengthened in the surgery, or whether it is always weaker because it has been damaged.


I didn't mean Dave would be exactly the same as Andrew, I meant in 'his own way' he could be, also bare in mind this is SL wherein all due respect the bar is set a little lower, shouldn't be but it is. With the latter in mind it's all there for Dave to grab.
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Re: Make or break seasons : Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:34 pm  
Dave shouldn't be compared to Andrew imo.

Big Dave needs to compare to Watts, Thompson, Walmsley and now Burgess.
Before his injury he was dominating the league but he's been quickly forgotten by the rest after missing the end of the season. It's a chance for him to get that back.

Playing for Wakefield allows him to be a bit more creative and off the cuff than the others on the list and also be a leader, but only as a "follow me" leader. I would not make him team captain. That's a different skill altogether.
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Re: Make or break seasons : Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:27 pm  
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As a club, this is a huge season for us and a lot depends on certain players fulfilling their potential IMO.

1: Ryan Hampshire, if he is to be the HB that he and his fans (myself included) claim him to be, he needs to prove it this season, end of and no excuses. Those who bang on about his ability need to be proved right or it's going to get embarrassing. Signs were not good on Boxing day, yes the whole team was poor but I saw no real attempt by Hampshire to take the game on, his performance was limp and it shouldn't have been in a game where he could have showcased his talents, the one who actually did what I expected Ryan to do was Josh Wood. He's not a right off yet, but for those deluded enough, yep deluded, to think he should replace Miller and especially Brough need to look again. No doubt the talent is there but no real signs as yet that he's anywhere near the old man.

2: Tom Johnstone, his problems are as much in the mind as the body. I've never had a sporting injury but I have suffered a serious illness and the fightback takes place in the head as much as the body. You have to work hard and be brave before you trust your body again. He's done it once let's hope he does it again. If he does we have one of the best wingers I've ever seen anywhere entering his prime.

What are you on about as re. Hampshire?! Apart from Fifita, he was the most consistent player last season by a country mile, we would have been relegated without his assists and tries. He was playing really well with Miller in the halves when Finn finally got left out, then CC decided to bring in Broughy (rightly or wrongly). Apart from TJ, Hampshire I would suggest is the most talented player at the club.

3: David Fifita, the big Bopper is all people say he is, no doubt. However, there is also no doubt that Dave doesn't always have it right in his head, there is still an element of the class clown in Dave. I don't want that to go completely but at 30 its a good time to become more mature and focussed. If he does so and starts to truly lead he can in his own way be every bit as good as Andrew and now is the time.

4: Danny Brough, this is his last stanza and in his own words, he has unfinished business at Trinity. We need him to perform and to do so he needs to adapt himself better. Danny wants to be the centre of everything, this is fine at 25 where your deeds match your demands, that is no longer the case. Danny needs to pace himself and use his gifts sparingly, we don't need Danny to be magic 80 minutes a game, let the others take the strain, just be there when it matters.

There are others for whom its a big year but for these, it's not the end of the story nor in fairness are they quite as 'special' IMHO as the players mentioned above can be when on song. However there are others who's form would also make a huge difference - Walkers, Lyne, Tupou, Miller, Ashurst, Arona, Tanginoa and one of the Woods for starters but as its a team game then basically they all need to be the best versions of themselves that they can manage. If so and with a little chuffing luck then who knows.

Others, of course, may see it differently.

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Re: Make or break seasons : Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:50 pm  
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Dave shouldn't be compared to Andrew imo.

Big Dave needs to compare to Watts, Thompson, Walmsley and now Burgess.
Before his injury he was dominating the league but he's been quickly forgotten by the rest after missing the end of the season. It's a chance for him to get that back.

Playing for Wakefield allows him to be a bit more creative and off the cuff than the others on the list and also be a leader, but only as a "follow me" leader. I would not make him team captain. That's a different skill altogether.


Why not?

There are obvious physical similarities, so theoretically they are capable of being a very similar type of player. I agree that in reality, they aren't the same person but that doesn't mean one can't learn from the other.

Don't think we need to get too bogged down in semantics here, all I'm saying is that potentially Dave could be as good as his brother, I don't think he will, its too late and he's too different in temperament but he can aspire, nowt wrong with that.
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Re: Make or break seasons : Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:51 pm  
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Re: Make or break seasons : Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:07 pm  
I'm waiting to see what the coaches learnt from last season
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Re: Make or break seasons : Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:16 pm  
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I'm waiting to see what the coaches learnt from last season


Have a team of cyborgs who don't get injured?
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Re: Make or break seasons : Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:50 pm  
Fishermanscap wrote:
Why not?

There are obvious physical similarities, so theoretically they are capable of being a very similar type of player. I agree that in reality, they aren't the same person but that doesn't mean one can't learn from the other.

Don't think we need to get too bogged down in semantics here, all I'm saying is that potentially Dave could be as good as his brother, I don't think he will, its too late and he's too different in temperament but he can aspire, nowt wrong with that.


Nothing wrong with learning from anybody but it's not his target in my opinion.
Of course he can aim to be the best prop in the world but his first step is to be better than the props around him.
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