OT Lets fall out over something else : Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:06 pm  

The boards are a bit fractious at present and understandably so. So let's have a heated debate about a none Trinity issue, just for fun. Next week I'll offer up two seventies bands etc, obviously my taste so ABBA won't be there. Whose the coolest of the big two British sixties bands? Stones by a country mile for me, the blueprint for nearly every rock band since.

The boards are a bit fractious at present and understandably so. So let's have a heated debate about a none Trinity issue, just for fun. Next week I'll offer up two seventies bands etc, obviously my taste so ABBA won't be there. Whose the coolest of the big two British sixties bands? Stones by a country mile for me, the blueprint for nearly every rock band since.

Re: OT Lets fall out over something else : Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:39 pm  

vastman wrote: The boards are a bit fractious at present and understandably so. So let's have a heated debate about a none Trinity issue, just for fun. Next week I'll offer up two seventies bands etc, obviously my taste so ABBA won't be there. Whose the coolest of the big two British sixties bands? Stones by a country mile for me, the blueprint for nearly every rock band since. Neither, both overrated, especially the (not so Fab Four) The Stones are like a poor mans Primal scream. Mine, The Kinks and The Who, pick the bones out of that.

vastman wrote: The boards are a bit fractious at present and understandably so. So let's have a heated debate about a none Trinity issue, just for fun. Next week I'll offer up two seventies bands etc, obviously my taste so ABBA won't be there. Whose the coolest of the big two British sixties bands? Stones by a country mile for me, the blueprint for nearly every rock band since. Neither, both overrated, especially the (not so Fab Four) The Stones are like a poor mans Primal scream. Mine, The Kinks and The Who, pick the bones out of that.

Re: OT Lets fall out over something else : Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:52 pm  

Good idea ,can not say I liked a lot of the Fab four or the R Stones . Thought the Fab four made some good records in there later years .I was in to Motown and soul music in the 60 tis.Still gets people up dancing today.

Re: OT Lets fall out over something else : Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:56 pm  

JINJER wrote:

Neither, both overrated, especially the (not so Fab Four)
The Stones are like a poor mans Primal scream. Mine, The Kinks and The Who, pick the bones out of that.

I like the Primal Scream one, probably the arch Stones rip off band, Rocks off anyone

The Who, yes they are up there.

I used to really like the Kinks then I realised I didn't, it's not so much them but the click that likes them, not you obviously.

Finally, I did say coolest, the Kinks were never ever cool, whilst the Who was cool until they dropped the Mod look, Talent, musicianship etc are different things.

Re: OT Lets fall out over something else : Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:40 pm  

The Stones were just a blues tribute act. Some good stuff and I'm a fan but they just rehashed stuff from the delta and put an English spin on it.

The Who were great, and a perfect example of the sum of four parts making a great whole, because each component was great in their own right. Take Keith Moon out, or Roger Daltrey out, and they just aren't The Who or any semblance of The Who.

For me, however, it was The Beatles. Groundbreaking too many times and their best stuff still sound great today. I just don't go with Lennon as the genius though. I think the real creative one was Paul McCartney. Lennon gets the nod by most because he had an edgier look and mood, and was murdered (death always helps for immortality, which is probably the biggest irony of all), but the real creative force was McCartney.

Re: OT Lets fall out over something else : Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:56 pm  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

The Stones were just a blues tribute act. Some good stuff and I'm a fan but they just rehashed stuff from the delta and put an English spin on it.

The Who were great, and a perfect example of the sum of four parts making a great whole, because each component was great in their own right. Take Keith Moon out, or Roger Daltrey out, and they just aren't The Who or any semblance of The Who.

For me, however, it was The Beatles. Groundbreaking too many times and their best stuff still sound great today. I just don't go with Lennon as the genius though. I think the real creative one was Paul McCartney. Lennon gets the nod by most because he had an edgier look and mood, and was murdered (death always helps for immortality, which is probably the biggest irony of all), but the real creative force was McCartney.

That's true to a point, though I struggle to see the similarity between Delta blues and Gimmie Shelter, Sympathy for the Devil, Ruby Tuesday or dare I say the best Disco record ever made, Miss you. The Stones are far more diverse than they are ever given credit for, partly their fault for not dying or packing it in or worse still playing to a caricature of themselves to become incredibly rich.

The same applies to the Beatles who were basically a souped-up Everly Brothers. They were in my opinion no more creative than many other sixties bands, Stones included, they just happened to enter the public imagination first.

Where I do agree is McCartney. Without a doubt no pop musician has had a better ear for melody than him, it's this IMHO that made them so popular with all generations, not just the kids. Lennon huffed and puffed but frankly I don't get him.

When I was 17 I obviously liked bands of my own era but the Beatles were my favourite band, barely listened to the Stones. My college lecturer told me that if I stuck with them I'd change as I got older and I did. The Beatles have the tunes but the Stones have grove and Rock n Roll has always been about the groove imho. He also said that the Stones was music for adults only,I think I now know what he meant.

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Re: OT Lets fall out over something else : Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:17 pm  

Not that bothered about either but if I had to choose it would be the Stones.
Some of the McCartney written Beatles stuff was tripe.

Re: OT Lets fall out over something else : Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:21 pm  

Always preferred The Who in front of Beatles/Stones but the only groups I really stuck with from their inception and purchased all their stuff was The Kinks and Hawkwind.

Re: OT Lets fall out over something else : Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:29 pm  

vastman wrote: That's true to a point, though I struggle to see the similarity between Delta blues and Gimmie Shelter, Sympathy for the Devil, Ruby Tuesday or dare I say the best Disco record ever made, Miss you. The Stones are far more diverse than they are ever given credit for, partly their fault for not dying or packing it in or worse still playing to a caricature of themselves to become incredibly rich. The same applies to the Beatles who were basically a souped-up Everly Brothers. They were in my opinion no more creative than many other sixties bands, Stones included, they just happened to enter the public imagination first. Where I do agree is McCartney. Without a doubt no pop musician has had a better ear for melody than him, it's this IMHO that made them so popular with all generations, not just the kids. Lennon huffed and puffed but frankly I don't get him. When I was 17 I obviously liked bands of my own era but the Beatles were my favourite band, barely listened to the Stones. My college lecturer told me that if I stuck with them I'd change as I got older and I did. The Beatles have the tunes but the Stones have grove and Rock n Roll has always been about the groove imho. He also said that the Stones was music for adults only,I think I now know what he meant. Yeah, I'll give you Gimme Shelter. If you haven't seen it, you might like reading this from a couple of days ago (it's not having a go at The Stones, despite the title of the article): https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/apr/08/gimme-shelter-left-a-dark-taste-in-my-mouth-merry-clayton I'm a big fan of The Stones. It's just that the more Delta blues I listen to, the more I hear them. I had the same feeling with The Specials, one of my favourite bands because they were my first real musical awakening when I was 14 in 1979, and then the more I listened to old Trojan stuff, I realised how much of it were either cover versions or rip-offs. Still love the music the same though, and I'm the same with The Stones.

vastman wrote: That's true to a point, though I struggle to see the similarity between Delta blues and Gimmie Shelter, Sympathy for the Devil, Ruby Tuesday or dare I say the best Disco record ever made, Miss you. The Stones are far more diverse than they are ever given credit for, partly their fault for not dying or packing it in or worse still playing to a caricature of themselves to become incredibly rich. The same applies to the Beatles who were basically a souped-up Everly Brothers. They were in my opinion no more creative than many other sixties bands, Stones included, they just happened to enter the public imagination first. Where I do agree is McCartney. Without a doubt no pop musician has had a better ear for melody than him, it's this IMHO that made them so popular with all generations, not just the kids. Lennon huffed and puffed but frankly I don't get him. When I was 17 I obviously liked bands of my own era but the Beatles were my favourite band, barely listened to the Stones. My college lecturer told me that if I stuck with them I'd change as I got older and I did. The Beatles have the tunes but the Stones have grove and Rock n Roll has always been about the groove imho. He also said that the Stones was music for adults only,I think I now know what he meant. Yeah, I'll give you Gimme Shelter. If you haven't seen it, you might like reading this from a couple of days ago (it's not having a go at The Stones, despite the title of the article): https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/apr/08/gimme-shelter-left-a-dark-taste-in-my-mouth-merry-clayton I'm a big fan of The Stones. It's just that the more Delta blues I listen to, the more I hear them. I had the same feeling with The Specials, one of my favourite bands because they were my first real musical awakening when I was 14 in 1979, and then the more I listened to old Trojan stuff, I realised how much of it were either cover versions or rip-offs. Still love the music the same though, and I'm the same with The Stones.

Re: OT Lets fall out over something else : Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:58 pm  

I can fall out with myself over my own opinions, I hate the Beatles music, never got it, but they definitely did change the face/course of music. The Stones, I was always a bit meh with them then saw them at Glastonbury (2012 ish) first hour I was like “yeah I’m right, shi8e” then the second half they did a best of set and it was majestic.
Ps. Plus I like Wings.