Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:07 am  

Barnsley Tiger wrote:

Simple. both clubs need a ground. It looks like there is only one option at the minute (Junction 32). If that is Castleford as tenants, so what. I'm sure financially MC can negotiate a better deal than that that is offered at the moment.
It is the Wakefield clubs future that has to be secured otherwise the next nail in the coffin will come from the RFL.

I've just nipped down to have a reccy at the stadium at junction 32 (i assume you mean M62?) but I couldn't find it. Could you be more specific about its location?

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Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:23 am  

Which ground is this we are sharing? The new Cas stadium has no more bricks than ours right now.

Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:15 am  

coco the fullback wrote:

I've just nipped down to have a reccy at the stadium at junction 32 (i assume you mean M62?) but I couldn't find it. Could you be more specific about its location?

I assume your post is just a play on words and facts that you can dig up. I have no problem with that, a name is a name but Junction 32 is the junction off the M62.

However my original post is not meant to get at Wakefield or make Castleford in any way superior, hence me saying I don't want to upset anyone. From a Wakefield point of view it is very serious and time is running out. There should be no tit for tat, Your clubs future is at risk.

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Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:24 am  

Barnsley Tiger wrote:

I assume your post is just a play on words and facts that you can dig up. I have no problem with that, a name is a name but Junction 32 is the junction off the M62.

However my original post is not meant to get at Wakefield or make Castleford in any way superior, hence me saying I don't want to upset anyone. From a Wakefield point of view it is very serious and time is running out. There should be no tit for tat, Your clubs future is at risk.

It is a valid point but I fear myself and many others wouldn't want to go watch Trinity play our home games in Castleford.
It would literally feel like we are the poor relatives and basically accepting hand outs from our nearest rivals.

Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:55 am  

People have really short memories. When Newmarket was being considered Castleford were formally invited to share. They flatly refused and insisted they would not move one inch outside Castleford. I am sure if they had agreed then by now there would have been a joint stadium at Newmarket. The council would have then got behind the project. Also don't forget that when the PE started Castleford formally objected in writing !!!

Lets move this to the present time. Castleford now are getting their stadium for £1. None of the crap about trust,rent,leasing etc. They are basically getting a free gift.

The evil bunch running the council are taking the urine out of everyone when they expect us to believe a developer would give something for free without the council having backdoor involvement. This £1 has been forced on the developer by the council. A council in total control of Peter Box, a share holder at Castleford Tigers and a long life supporter.

If we shared any ground with them and Box was still in charge at the council. Then I can assure you all 100% that the deal and terms Wakefield Trinity would be offered would be the biggest pile of crap you would ever imagine.

Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:16 am  

If it was big enough, they could play in my back garden, which is close to Thornes Park.

My grass is in good nick, but its a little small

Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:41 am  

Wildthing wrote:

It is a valid point but I fear myself and many others wouldn't want to go watch Trinity play our home games in Castleford.
It would literally feel like we are the poor relatives and basically accepting hand outs from our nearest rivals.

Indeed and the proposed stadium at Jcn 32 will belong lock stock and barrel to Castleford.
The would take the utmost pleasure is stuffing us for rent (just as WMDC and 88M want to do at a revamped BV), and most Trinity fans would rather pay WMDC than help Cas become stronger.

Playing at Jcn 32 is an absolute non starter.

Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:42 am  

Somewhere along the line there will have to be a compromise.

At the moment we haven't moved forward at all over the past 6 years and Cas in all reality are in the same position. There are two developers who will have to find £30+ million between them to build two stadiums and the Council is committed to £4million in contributions.

Glasshoughton may be ok for a stadium but will never have the community facilities which are promised to the people of Wakefield city & MDC. Newmarket has the capacity to deliver everything that is required. The likelihood is that neither ground will move forward in the next 5 years which leaves Trinity extinct and Cas in serious strife.

The compromise. Build a 20000 seater stadium at Newmarket along with all the promised community facilities to be funded jointly by the developers. The Council raises £30 million in "the City" in the same way Leeds Council have done for Headingley to allow development to commence immediately. Interest payments will be met from the Council's £4 million contribution so giving them an incentive to "encourage" Yorkcourt to make progress with their development.

If the interest payments are less than £4 million the council gains.
The Cas developer gains by having more land to develop.
Yorkcourt gain by having the opportunity to show they can behave in a civilised manner.
The clubs gain by being in a new stadium by 2019 season
The community gains the facilities it is desperate for.
Wakefield gains by retaining the community development work by Trinity
Cas gain by having a bigger, better stadium sooner.
The Community Trust would own the entire facilities with joint anchor tenants and between them they would establish a mechanism for funding maintenance and development of the site.
Everyone gains by avoiding court action.
Cas gain by retaining their equity in Wheldon Lane and by not suffering further delays whilst the Council fight a court battle.

MIchael Carter said that if he and Steve Gill had been in charge 10 years ago they would have a joint stadium by now.

There is still time.

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Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:48 am  

The comment about Carter and Gill is true and a great shame.
The previous chairmen made the share much more difficult when although I don't want it, is very logical.

Re: Ground Share : Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:57 am  

FSW wrote:

Somewhere along the line there will have to be a compromise.

At the moment we haven't moved forward at all over the past 6 years and Cas in all reality are in the same position. There are two developers who will have to find £30+ million between them to build two stadiums and the Council is committed to £4million in contributions.

Glasshoughton may be ok for a stadium but will never have the community facilities which are promised to the people of Wakefield city & MDC. Newmarket has the capacity to deliver everything that is required. The likelihood is that neither ground will move forward in the next 5 years which leaves Trinity extinct and Cas in serious strife.

The compromise. Build a 20000 seater stadium at Newmarket along with all the promised community facilities to be funded jointly by the developers. The Council raises £30 million in "the City" in the same way Leeds Council have done for Headingley to allow development to commence immediately. Interest payments will be met from the Council's £4 million contribution so giving them an incentive to "encourage" Yorkcourt to make progress with their development.

If the interest payments are less than £4 million the council gains.
The Cas developer gains by having more land to develop.
Yorkcourt gain by having the opportunity to show they can behave in a civilised manner.
The clubs gain by being in a new stadium by 2019 season
The community gains the facilities it is desperate for.
Wakefield gains by retaining the community development work by Trinity
Cas gain by having a bigger, better stadium sooner.
The Community Trust would own the entire facilities with joint anchor tenants and between them they would establish a mechanism for funding maintenance and development of the site.
Everyone gains by avoiding court action.
Cas gain by retaining their equity in Wheldon Lane and by not suffering further delays whilst the Council fight a court battle.

MIchael Carter said that if he and Steve Gill had been in charge 10 years ago they would have a joint stadium by now.

There is still time.

The trouble with all the above is that it is a well thought out and grown up possible solution.
Unfortunately we have at the head of Wakefield Council a bullying unprofessional baby who has been left in his post for far too long. We don't have a prayer of sorting out a practical solution while ever his own personal agenda isn't called out for what it is by weak councillors that won't blow the whistle.
The sad thing is both Wakefield Trinity & Castleford Tigers will be the losers in all this just at a time when we have the foundations of a mutual respect at the helms of both clubs and performances on the field to make both sets of fans proud.