Re: Some stadium technical stuff that may be of interest : Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:10 pm  

This is probably the most relevant and intelligent post written on this subject in the past few months.... having been involved in construction.. green and brown belt for the past ten years in Aus... everything about the Belle Vue redevelopment stank! Parking.. traffic and people flows... adjacent to housing... even the consideration of commercial issues seemed lacking..

It would be lovely to commission an independent report! Wonder what that would cost in the UK ? I believe it would show the councils proposals to be the sham and diversity tactics that they are!

Re: Some stadium technical stuff that may be of interest : Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:20 pm  

Redscat wrote:

As I sated on an associated thread sometime ago, those stadium images could have been adapted from a proposed stadium in any country anywhere and subsequently "photoshopped" to suit the situation. I was very cynical then and am even more so now. New Belle Vue Stadium my foot!!!!! It proves how phoney the photographs were - They even made Agbrigg look attractive

I thought it looked different than the usual flat pack stadium design you often see. If looked a well designed compact stadium that's why I hoped it would happen.

Up the Trin

Re: Some stadium technical stuff that may be of interest : Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:28 pm  

Prince Buster wrote:

Vasty

I was also extremely sceptical when I saw the plans, and I will add a 4th which your mate could try and help with.

Disability access !
If you read up on that, there must me a minimum number of disability parking spaces per 1000 spectators .
There are also maximum distances between ground entrance and these spaces which I believe is around 50 meteres.
You can get around this by having parking elsewhere and then shuttle service with pull in lay bys etc, all further complicated stuff if you read up on it.

Further to that, if this is classed as a new stadium then normal parking must also be provided in a certain ratio per 1000 spectators . I think its around 50 minimum so a 6000 stadium would require a further300 spaces. (These figures are not accurate but only from memory but a good stadium anorak could find them)

The only possible way around it from what I can see, is classing this as an upgrade to an existing stadium and not a new development.

But I am with you, its all a con , even it if it does happen it will be nothing more than a cheap facelift and way below normal modern stadia standards

Is that right regarding parking I thought is was going the other way nowadays and planning limiting parking to encourage use of public transport, it may be different for inner City stadium rather than out of town stadiums. Think this would be classed as upgrade of existing stadium so would apply, look at the size of spurs new ground with virtually no parking.

Up the Trin

Re: Some stadium technical stuff that may be of interest : Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:01 pm  

J30 M62 TRINITY wrote:

Is that right regarding parking I thought is was going the other way nowadays and planning limiting parking to encourage use of public transport, it may be different for inner City stadium rather than out of town stadiums. Think this would be classed as upgrade of existing stadium so would apply, look at the size of spurs new ground with virtually no parking.

Up the Trin

You're not totally wrong there tbh. However limited parking is one thing - no parking is a different matter. According to those plans we will have less parking than we have now. In fact according to those plans I can't see parking for ONE car!

So yes limited parking is acceptable but as PB states there are minimum standards. Most notably where the disabled are concerned I believe it's one space per hundred spectators. That would require 100 spaces for a 10 k stadium. I can't see anything like that on those plans. I don't think the new build argument gets you out of that one.

It's just wrong the whole thing is wrong.

Re: Some stadium technical stuff that may be of interest : Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:36 pm  

Apologies if its been mentioned before but I just wondered if one of the tall buildings on the plans may be a multi storey car park.
I appreciate even if it was it wouldn't address all the other problems.

Re: Some stadium technical stuff that may be of interest : Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:15 am  

newgroundb4wakey wrote:

Apologies if its been mentioned before but I just wondered if one of the tall buildings on the plans may be a multi storey car park.
I appreciate even if it was it wouldn't address all the other problems.

No but there may an element of underground car parking which one would have to assume would serve the shops/flats or whatever they are supposed to be.

Re: Some stadium technical stuff that may be of interest : Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:32 am  

vastman wrote:

No but there may an element of underground car parking which one would have to assume would serve the shops/flats or whatever they are supposed to be.

I'm involved in a scheme like this right now - for an office park rather than a stadium - and I can tell you with certainty that underground parking costs an absolute fortune; the works involved are extensive to say the least. So if that was the intention, it would have significantly bumped up the cost. On that basis - I prefer the explanation that it was a knocked up sham rather than a proper plan.

Re: Some stadium technical stuff that may be of interest : Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:40 am  

The government requirement for disabled parking spaces is: for car parks with more than 50 spaces, a minimum of 4% are to be disabled, for car parks with less than 50 spaces, a minimum of 1 is to be provided. The space should ideally be within 50m of an entrance or a sheltered path should be considered

Re: Some stadium technical stuff that may be of interest : Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:46 am  

vastman wrote:

You're not totally wrong there tbh. However limited parking is one thing - no parking is a different matter. According to those plans we will have less parking than we have now. In fact according to those plans I can't see parking for ONE car!.

You might want to look a bit closer if you can't see any parking, there is clearly parking bays marked out next to the old changing rooms at the back of the North stand

Re: Some stadium technical stuff that may be of interest : Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:57 am  

The football league have set their limit slightly higher than the national requirement and still only provide 3 bays or 6% (whichever is greater) for car parks up to 200 bays. The minimum requirement which UEFA set for stadium parking in general is: 2× coach bays, 10x staff bays, 20x VIP bays, 3x disabled bays