Re: Can Somebody Please Tell Me? : Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:21 pm  

cocker wrote:

Ball handling loose forward wouldn’t go amiss

Agree 100%

Re: Can Somebody Please Tell Me? : Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:30 pm  

Redscat wrote:

What is it that we lack; that missing X factor, the last piece in the jigsaw that prevents us from becoming the top four side we know that we can be? Countless different coaches, players and chairmen for forty years now,but we still have been unable to just leap that final hurdle. Somebody please explain.

Decision making and composure. Summed up and contrasted in 2 critical moments in the last 5 minutes. Jacob Miller has an opportunity to drop a goal 25 metres out and somehow gets himself in a mess and ends up running out wide to the right and then kicking the ball into touch. Sneyd sets himself on halfway and pings it over. We give way too many penalties away in the opposition 20 as well when defending. I just think little decisions at vital times have been massive differences in the Wigan, Cas and Hull games. Amount of times we take the wrong option on the last tackle - wrong kicking option or going for a power play when it's not on or throwing a hospital pass. Just try and force it too much at times. It's fristrating but for the most of it the team is doing a lot of things right and the effort is there.

Thought Pauli Pauli (knock on aside) was strong today. Keegan Hirst was good when he was on and Wood/Randell were bright.

Re: Can Somebody Please Tell Me? : Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:35 pm  

And again, someone who gets out of the line quick to attack the kicker.

Re: Can Somebody Please Tell Me? : Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:37 pm  

I don't know about 40 years. That is too much to consider and there's no pint; it's done. But here and now, I have been asking myself the same question. I don't know enough about interchange tactics and can't keep up with who is on and off the pitch but I do wonder if our current 'dominate big part of games then blow up for 20 mins a match' malaise is something to do with that. Answers from more knowledgeable Rugby fans please. But the familiar thing is, we are dominating, we have possession then we go mistake, penalty, try and that's it, bubble burst, into the shell for 20...mins and points quite often. I am sure the coaching team and players will have looked at this but it isn't working thus far. Today we didn't recover for 25 mins from Pauli Pauli's loss of the ball on their 20m line, when up at 18-8 after 45 mins. We also do barmy things, culminating in not takeing a short kick off with a min 20s on the clock after Sneyd's drop goal. I know he was trying to find touch with a hard flat kick but the chances of that coming off are far less than a short ko in my opinion. Just daft. And we just let Sneyd have all the time in the world to take aim as if we didn't believe he could kick a 52m drop goal.
That said, I love this side and this Chairman so I can't be too harsh. But it is damn frustrating to see us keep being part architects of out own downfall

Re: Can Somebody Please Tell Me? : Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:39 pm  

Adam_Harrison9 wrote:

Decision making and composure. Summed up and contrasted in 2 critical moments in the last 5 minutes. Jacob Miller has an opportunity to drop a goal 25 metres out and somehow gets himself in a mess and ends up running out wide to the right and then kicking the ball into touch. Sneyd sets himself on halfway and pings it over. We give way too many penalties away in the opposition 20 as well when defending. I just think little decisions at vital times have been massive differences in the Wigan, Cas and Hull games. Amount of times we take the wrong option on the last tackle - wrong kicking option or going for a power play when it's not on or throwing a hospital pass. Just try and force it too much at times. It's fristrating but for the most of it the team is doing a lot of things right and the effort is there.

Thought Pauli Pauli (knock on aside) was strong today. Keegan Hirst was good when he was on and Wood/Randell were bright.

Yes re last tackle plays. In fact I think that is THE worst part of our game and has been for a long time. This side is a good side but if they could learn to apply pressure like Cas did to us on Friday, with great last tackle plays and the gaining of repeat set after repeat set, they'd be a great side

Re: Can Somebody Please Tell Me? : Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:42 pm  

charlie63wildcat wrote:

Yes re last tackle plays. In fact I think that is THE worst part of our game and has been for a long time. This side is a good side but if they could learn to apply pressure like Cas did to us on Friday, with great last tackle plays and the gaining of repeat set after repeat set, they'd be a great side

Which ultimately comes from the pivots. We need better to take that next step and win these tights games more often than not.

Re: Can Somebody Please Tell Me? : Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:45 pm  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

Miller has grown on me since he first arrived but I wouldn't say he's one of the best in the league. Quite often he's anonymous in a game, other than dropping a hospital ball on Ashurst.

On his day he can very good, but his greatest asset is his running game and he just doesn't take the line on enough for me. When he does the opposing forwards really struggled to nail him.

The halves are ok and as a club on a tight budget probably the best we are likely to have, but to take that next step on they do need to be better. That half could be the difference.

It's funny how we all see things differently
Like I said previously
I see him as one of the best attacking stand offs in SL
I see him as nearly constantly trying to take the line on too

Re: Can Somebody Please Tell Me? : Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:50 pm  

musson wrote:

It's funny how we all see things differently
Like I said previously
I see him as one of the best attacking stand offs in SL
I see him as nearly constantly trying to take the line on too

Totally agree re Miller . Always takes the ball up to the line before passing , pounced on any loose balls and tackles way above his weight.

To compare Snyeds drop goal, 50 metres out without a soul near him ,
to Miller being chased wide by a charging defence is madness .

Re: Can Somebody Please Tell Me? : Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:01 pm  

Adam_Harrison9 wrote:

Decision making and composure. Summed up and contrasted in 2 critical moments in the last 5 minutes. Jacob Miller has an opportunity to drop a goal 25 metres out and somehow gets himself in a mess and ends up running out wide to the right and then kicking the ball into touch. Sneyd sets himself on halfway and pings it over. We give way too many penalties away in the opposition 20 as well when defending. I just think little decisions at vital times have been massive differences in the Wigan, Cas and Hull games. Amount of times we take the wrong option on the last tackle - wrong kicking option or going for a power play when it's not on or throwing a hospital pass. Just try and force it too much at times. It's fristrating but for the most of it the team is doing a lot of things right and the effort is there.

Thought Pauli Pauli (knock on aside) was strong today. Keegan Hirst was good when he was on and Wood/Randell were bright.

100% agree

Up the Trin

Re: Can Somebody Please Tell Me? : Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:04 pm  

Adam_Harrison9 wrote:

Decision making and composure. Summed up and contrasted in 2 critical moments in the last 5 minutes. Jacob Miller has an opportunity to drop a goal 25 metres out and somehow gets himself in a mess and ends up running out wide to the right and then kicking the ball into touch. Sneyd sets himself on halfway and pings it over. We give way too many penalties away in the opposition 20 as well when defending. I just think little decisions at vital times have been massive differences in the Wigan, Cas and Hull games. Amount of times we take the wrong option on the last tackle - wrong kicking option or going for a power play when it's not on or throwing a hospital pass. Just try and force it too much at times. It's fristrating but for the most of it the team is doing a lot of things right and the effort is there.

Thought Pauli Pauli (knock on aside) was strong today. Keegan Hirst was good when he was on and Wood/Randell were bright.

A good synopsis however Miller never had the time to go for the DG Hull were on him in a flash as for Sneyd in the last minute I bet nobody thought he would have a go at that distance in the conditions, sadly only one player went to close him down it was a peach though all the same. We should have been out of dight at half time we bombed too many chances in the second half we got rolled by Hull they made yards for fun.