Re: In coaches we trust : Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:13 am  

Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo wrote:

Or even being allowed to hold onto the #1 shirt at the start of the previous season?

This is my beef about side-lining an outstanding youngster, which we effectively did once Grix came crawling back.

It's all conjecture now anyway.

You really are hugely vindictive at times.

He was sidelined as you put it because the flaws in his game towards the end of 2016 were obvious to all - he simply wasn't ready. The idea that somehow he'd have improved if left in place in 2017 is absurd. Yeah he may have gotten better but to suggest he'd have given us the season Grix did doesn't hold up to scrutiny. I suggest a full season at F/B would have destroyed his confidence and scuppered his future career. He got his chances in 2017 and was pretty much awful in every game, how is that Grix or Chesters fault!

As for Grix coming "crawling back" - seriously man is he the first player ever to leave a club and then come back.

Jowitt broke through as a 20 year old into a technically difficult position, one which he hadn't mastered - he needed the time to grow his game and Chester gave it him and has been very quick to reward the player for doing so - what more do you want?

Chester has been utterly vindicated regarding Max but then he sees him day in and day out so he would wouldn't he, and he knows the lad well which is more than you or I do.

You were wrong he was right, to me it's that simple.

Re: In coaches we trust : Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:21 am  

bren2k wrote:

Or do we just accept that team sport works that way?

Prime example - would the illustrious Sam Tomkins be a RL superstar now, if he hadn't been forced to join the 1st team due to an injury to Thomas Leuluai?

Indeed.
History is littered with players in all sports getting a break or, making the most of a "freak" opportunity.
However, Jowitt has had to be extremely patient this season and credit to him for not throwing his teddy out of the pram.

Now that he is getting a decent run in the side, I really hope that he goes from strength to strength and if we managed to find a spot for Crowther, even better.

These two, were absolutely busting a gut in pre season and both seemed to deserve a break. ?/

Re: In coaches we trust : Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:27 am  

bren2k wrote:

Or do we just accept that team sport works that way?

Prime example - would the illustrious Sam Tomkins be a RL superstar now, if he hadn't been forced to join the 1st team due to an injury to Thomas Leuluai?

It was an Injury to Tim Smith that gave ST his chance in the Wigan first team and to answer your question IMO yes he would, Sam only needed 80 minutes of first team rugby to prove how fantastic of a talent he was and only got better with a few games under his belt.

Chances will inevitably come for the `next in line` one way or another, it is how they take them that counts.

Re: In coaches we trust : Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:54 am  

I'm just happy in the knowledge that MJ is playing well, and even though I'm a fan of Grix, there would be no automatic return for him at the expense of MJ.
I get what OP is saying but this site just about our opinions surely!

Re: In coaches we trust : Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:43 pm  

Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo wrote:

Or even being allowed to hold onto the #1 shirt at the start of the previous season?

This is my beef about side-lining an outstanding youngster, which we effectively did once Grix came crawling back.

It's all conjecture now anyway.

Kyle wood has left and 'come crawling back' twice now....

Re: In coaches we trust : Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:52 pm  

vastman wrote:

Just watched our last few games and kept a big eye on Jowitt in particular.

For all those touchline coaches and yes I’m just as bad at times his progress shows how little we know. There is not one poster on here who imo has an ounce of credibility compared to Hester and his team. I know they think hey do but they are clueless, the fact that they don’t train the players tells you that.

Jowitt had a hard time last year getting a place and rightly so because he had a glaring weakness in a key part of his game imo and I have to assume Chester’s.

Max was forced to go back and up his game and so fat it appears he has, he seems to be a far better player than he was imo. I’m a solutely certain this is because he was forced to improve or fall by the wayside.

Imho it does most players no harm whatsoever to have some dissapointments early in there career it’s what makes most of us grow up not just sportsman - nor has he been picked on as even Trinity poster boy TJ has taken a few slap downs this season.

I know it’s frustrating and I know with local lads there is a lot of vested (in a good way) interest in them getting on. However shirts should be earned and being a home town boy should make no difference. Coaches can’t work on emotion so well done CC.

Next time CC makes a selection that goes against public opinion just remember that he actually knows these guys and thus is the only person qualified to judge. Opinions are fine but that’s all they are, none have any real validity despite what some seem to think.

No coach gets it right all the but CC seems to do Ok - we are lucky to have him.

If an opinion has no validity, is there any point expressing them?

Re: In coaches we trust : Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:57 pm  

Wasn't Max suffering from a shoulder injury too, that was impacting him, forcing him to have surgery at the end of the 2016 season.

If I remember rightly, he and Miller both needed surgery, but there was only Craig Hall available to cover either position for the last 2-3 games of the super 8s.

In the end Max played and Miller didnt.

Re: In coaches we trust : Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:12 pm  

Jowitt at 1 is a forced change, so it hardly matters who you'd prefer.
Bagging Grix gratuitously in favour of Jowitt just taints an opinion.
I wouldn't bag either, they're both decent players, I'd rather have on-form Grix in than Jowitt but I'm not gonna pull Jowitt apart to further my viewpoint, the lads playing well and the more games he plays, the better he'll get, but he isn't going to get Grix's nouse over night.
Same goes for Finny really, you can't negate the value of nouse with a speed/pace argument alone.

Re: In coaches we trust : Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:36 pm  

Unfortunately, unlike back in the old days when player's club loyalty was a large consideration so-called A-Team players would languish in the second team for years and not get regular spots. One thinks of players Like Don Metcalfe, Ken Rollin. Ken Hirst et al who were second choice for ten years or more. Of course today's game is totally different and as Superleague is a full-time professional sport players have to go where the money is. Young Players like Jowitt, Crowther and Caton-Brown won't stay second or third choice for ever.

Re: In coaches we trust : Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:50 am  

Upanunder wrote:

but he isn't going to get Grix's nouse over night.

Nailed it - Jowitt is faster and probably fitter than Grix, because he has youth on his side - but he is miles away from Grix in terms of nouse, guile and understanding how to manage a game; he'll probably learn that with experience and game time, but he 100% does not have it now. One would hope that as a young player, he knows that and so doesn't become disgruntled when he plays second fiddle; young players who don't get that, usually end up in the wilderness - apart from the freaky phenoms who seem to emerge from Academy sides fully formed - but there aren't many of them.