Re: Taking the one point. : Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:47 am  

vastman wrote:

A six point lead couldn’t win the game so why would a drop goal? You’re also assuming that somehow Saints would buckle at the prospect of overhauling a single point, highly unlikely don’t you think.

It's all if's buts and maybe's now. However a 7 point cushion cranks up the pressure on the opposition, which can lead to them "forcing" the game and in turn, to them making mistakes.
Having said that, teams have taken a dg in the pats and lost, just as they have take it and won.
It's all so easy in hindsight.

We have lose a few games by the odd few points though and just think what could have been.

Having said that, there were huge positives to take from Friday and we will need to be as good, if not better, to turnover Catalan next week.

Their pack was superb against Cas yesterday, especially Casty.

Re: Taking the one point. : Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:06 am  

The only thing a drop goal would’ve done for us would of delayed in inevitable, they looked way too comfortable even when we were at our best...

Re: Taking the one point. : Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:39 am  

Without hindsight, that is at the time I was crying out to go for the drop goal when 26-20 ahead.

With hindsight, instead of going for the drop goal the grubber kick through led directly to Grace's try and the momentum swinging decisively back to Saints which led to them winning the game.

With a quarter of the match to go I felt a drop goal would be a good option - 2 scores ahead, get the ball back from the kick off, psychological advantage after having a run of momentum to get back into the game, further opportunities to score tries with less pressure.

BTW welcome back Trinity18.

Re: Taking the one point. : Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:43 am  

Trinity18 wrote:

The only thing a drop goal would’ve done for us would of delayed in inevitable, they looked way too comfortable even when we were at our best...

The only thing a drop goal would have done, assuming it went over would have give us an extra point and us playing out from our try line after they've kicked off, had we missed they would be taking a 7 tackle play from the 20 metre line, 5 minutes to go then every time, a good quarter of an hour to go never, how many tries did they score on the last tackle?

Re: Taking the one point. : Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:25 pm  

vastman wrote:

Taking one point against anyone in that situation is futile imo but against Saints your just inviting them back into the game - waste of time imho.

As futile as refusing the drop goal kicking straight to Lomax who wins a quick ptb and thy score from their own try line? You talk some crap sometimes. Drop goal was obviously the smart decision to make. Shame we cannot manage games how they need to be managed on regular occasions. We'd have another 4 games won if we could manage games correctly.

Re: Taking the one point. : Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:03 pm  

Adam_Harrison9 wrote:

As futile as refusing the drop goal kicking straight to Lomax who wins a quick ptb and thy score from their own try line? You talk some crap sometimes. Drop goal was obviously the smart decision to make. Shame we cannot manage games how they need to be managed on regular occasions. We'd have another 4 games won if we could manage games correctly.

Funny how 13 players and a fully qualified coaching team thought differently to the rent an expert that's you. Hell you're in love with yourself, why don't you just apply for the coaching job and we can all watch the hillarious results, except they wouldn't be would they, they would be tragic.

People like you annoy me, you just bandy around buzz words like 'game management' as if you actually understand them but you don't, they are just meaningless sound bites like most of what you post. Now leave the game or whatever your latest name for it to those who are qualified.

'Shame we cannot manage games how they need to be managed on regular occasions. We'd have another 4 games won if we could manage games correctly' meaningless drivel from a man who must clearly have the ability to see alternate universes, it's heat of the battle end of, now get a grip and I promise I'll stop laughing

Re: Taking the one point. : Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:56 pm  

vastman wrote:

Funny how 13 players and a fully qualified coaching team thought differently to the rent an expert that's you. Hell you're in love with yourself, why don't you just apply for the coaching job and we can all watch the hillarious results, except they wouldn't be would they, they would be tragic.

People like you annoy me, you just bandy around buzz words like 'game management' as if you actually understand them but you don't, they are just meaningless sound bites like most of what you post. Now leave the game or whatever your latest name for it to those who are qualified.

'Shame we cannot manage games how they need to be managed on regular occasions. We'd have another 4 games won if we could manage games correctly' meaningless drivel from a man who must clearly have the ability to see alternate universes, it's heat of the battle end of, now get a grip and I promise I'll stop laughing

Who doesn't annoy you? I imagine the list would be shorter.

You're right. Coaches and 13 players never make the wrong decision. I don't know why you bother posting anymore. You mas well just copy and paste quotes from players or coaches. Get back to having some faith in your own opinion.

If people like me annoy you I'd hate to know how people who haven't played and watched rugby for 20 year annoy you. No one's opinion has any credibility according to you anyway so it beats me why you waste your time entertaining them. On the other hand, I value the discussion and opinion of others on this forum. You generally have a positive input but recently you've gone down some weird echo chamber avenue.

Re: Taking the one point. : Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:31 pm  

Adam_Harrison9 wrote:

:lol: Who doesn't annoy you? I imagine the list would be shorter.

You're right. Coaches and 13 players never make the wrong decision. I don't know why you bother posting anymore. You mas well just copy and paste quotes from players or coaches. Get back to having some faith in your own opinion.

If people like me annoy you I'd hate to know how people who haven't played and watched rugby for 20 year annoy you. No one's opinion has any credibility according to you anyway so it beats me why you waste your time entertaining them. On the other hand, I value the discussion and opinion of others on this forum. You generally have a positive input but recently you've gone down some weird echo chamber avenue.

he's been winding him self up on the VT,
as for the drop goal I'm not a big lover of it but with 20 mins to go it wouldn't of been a bad shout as I very much doubt saints would of gone for a short kick off and we would of got the ball back
I doubt saints would of been held to two scores though in that amount of time

Re: Taking the one point. : Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:59 pm  

vastman wrote:

Funny how 13 players and a fully qualified coaching team thought differently to the rent an expert that's you. Hell you're in love with yourself, why don't you just apply for the coaching job and we can all watch the hillarious results, except they wouldn't be would they, they would be tragic.
'Shame we cannot manage games how they need to be managed on regular occasions. We'd have another 4 games won if we could manage games correctly' meaningless drivel from a man who must clearly have the ability to see alternate universes, it's heat of the battle end of, now get a grip and I promise I'll stop laughing

But the game management is crap. i'm not a coach either but I can see it. it never occurred to 13 players to do a dg, instead we played out the 6 and ended with a poor kick straight to Lomax, it didn't have to be a dg at that point, what we needed was a goal line drop out or at the very least tackle them right on their line to keep the pressure on. Instead the kick was poor, we fell asleep in defence and within a flash Grace had scored..

Re: Taking the one point. : Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:03 am  

metallicat wrote:

But the game management is crap. i'm not a coach either but I can see it. it never occurred to 13 players to do a dg, instead we played out the 6 and ended with a poor kick straight to Lomax, it didn't have to be a dg at that point, what we needed was a goal line drop out or at the very least tackle them right on their line to keep the pressure on. Instead the kick was poor, we fell asleep in defence and within a flash Grace had scored..

The first post thaht is somewhere near right.