Re: Composure. : Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:24 pm  

ricardo07 wrote:

What a flattering score 25 to 10 was for Wigan.

We just need to maintain pressure when we are in the opposition's 25.

Made far too many mistakes there and defended poorly at times on our line.

Despite going down to 12 men twice and losing the penalty count 12 to 4 I still feel frustrated that we lost this game.

Grid had a nightmare tonight so I assume Jowitt will be full back next game.

Young Crowther impressed as did TJ.

Why? Do we drop a player every time they have what you call a poor game? Grix was exceptional last week and as ever showed why he is first choice and from what I saw last night he should remain so.

People can chirp on all they like but Grix is still better than Max who was dreadful against Saints.

I fully believe Jowitt will make it but it will be in stages - he’s no billy Slater in fact he’s more Scott Grix and it took years for him to truly establish himself - I really don’t get this insane rush to fill a team full of 22 year olds, let them develop and mature - Jowitt and Crowther and all the rest will make it if they are good enough.

This idea that there is this pool of players in Wakefield that were never given a chance is a total myth. The team from 2010 was it? the one Anakin came from - none of them made it - not because they didn’t get a chance at Wakefield and I accept some perhaps didn’t - but because they simply wernt good enough as there exploits at there new teams proved.

Danny Brough proved beyond all doubt that no matter how many times you’re shot in the foot or you shoot yourself in the foot true talent combined with real continents will prevail.

Re: Composure. : Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:50 pm  

vastman wrote:

Why? Do we drop a player every time they have what you call a poor game? Grix was exceptional last week and as ever showed why he is first choice and from what I saw last night he should remain so.

People can chirp on all they like but Grix is still better than Max who was dreadful against Saints.

I fully believe Jowitt will make it but it will be in stages - he’s no billy Slater in fact he’s more Scott Grix and it took years for him to truly establish himself - I really don’t get this insane rush to fill a team full of 22 year olds, let them develop and mature - Jowitt and Crowther and all the rest will make it if they are good enough.

This idea that there is this pool of players in Wakefield that were never given a chance is a total myth. The team from 2010 was it? the one Anakin came from - none of them made it - not because they didn’t get a chance at Wakefield and I accept some perhaps didn’t - but because they simply wernt good enough as there exploits at there new teams proved.

Danny Brough proved beyond all doubt that no matter how many times you’re shot in the foot or you shoot yourself in the foot true talent combined with real continents will prevail.

Agree with this. Grix was great last week and generally, his RL brain is far better than Max's atm, as it should be with his experience. The way he knows when to and when not to joins the attacking line, his support play and his numbering up & marshalling others in defence when they're out of position, or when we are low in numbers on one side or the other are better than Max's. Yes, he can have the odd poor game but so can the best.

Obviously, Grix is going to retire soon and someone's going to take over, so Max wants to make sure he's doing the right things in training and when he gets his chances, he'll move into FB. He's just got to keep improving because we've also got Hooley as well, who'll be looking for that place in the next year or so and make sure he is the next in line.

Apart from the Grix thing I agree with ricardo07's post, we do lack a bit of composure at key moments in the game and have done in a fair number of close ones this season. It was a game we maybe could/should have won, just by cutting the pens and the sins bins out and was closer than the scoreline suggests. Because when we got it right we looked good but just quite enough of it. Ateotd though even putting the one-sided penalty count that got them into scoring position a few times, those sin binning's killed us. Playing the likes of Wigan with 12 men for 60 mins of a game will tire us out big time and that's when we get penalised and want to slow the game down, even though TJ did score when we were down a man. Saying that it's a testament to the players and the team spirit that we were still right in there after all that.

Re: Composure. : Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:21 pm  

Can not understand people saying Grix had a good game against Hudersfield ok he scored 2 try's but all the work had been done for him .iIs link up play was shocking in fact at least 3 times he passed when the player receiving the ball was stood on the touch line with Hudersfield players ready to push him into touch.He was so slow tying to join the line that when he got the ball we lost 15 yards. Thursday is play was poor at the best .

Re: Composure. : Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:29 pm  

alegend wrote:

Can not understand people saying Grix had a good game against Hudersfield

well, it depends if you have an agenda that prevents you from being objective.....or not

Re: Composure. : Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:23 am  

I thought at times Trinity tried to do a Wigan and fight fire with fire by messing about at the play the ball and really trying to slow it down.

Wigan have done this for years, we all know it, and are ultimately now very very good at getting away with it. Trinity however looked a bit naive at times when doing it and I think that cost a few penalties.

I personally thought it was quite a poor game. Both teams coming off the back of big performances last week looked a little low on energy and it took guys like Johnstone and Hamlin to lift the game when they got the ball as they seemed to have more energy than their respective teammates.

I think Wigan are probably favourites at the moment to pick up the title and realistically there wasn’t much between the 2 teams. A couple of good signings over the offseason and Trinity I feel have a really good chance of becoming a top 4 team.

Re: Composure. : Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:34 am  

The problem is that the reason given by Chester to drop Jowitt was due to errors he made in the Saints. This therefore sets a precedent and the same standard should apply to Grix. We all agree he made mistakes in the Wigan game therefore should he not be held to the same conditions and be replaced by Jowitt.

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Re: Composure. : Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:59 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

The problem is that the reason given by Chester to drop Jowitt was due to errors he made in the Saints. This therefore sets a precedent and the same standard should apply to Grix. We all agree he made mistakes in the Wigan game therefore should he not be held to the same conditions and be replaced by Jowitt.

And then we'll get people moaning that he changes the team too much.
And equally we don't know who is ripping it up most in training.
It's not like Chester is trying to lose a game to play his mate. He's picking the best side considering he conditions and opposition.

Re: Composure. : Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:35 pm  

Grix has been hot and cold throughout his career. He was very fortunate to be rescued from that losing Championship Widnes team, by Wakefield, all those years back.
He does seem to have a bit of a teflon coating these days, especially under his boots.

Re: Composure. : Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:51 pm  

It just doesn't make any sense to suggest Chezzy has some daft agenda.
Coaches live and die by results on the field, why the hell would he pick players less likely to help win a game based on favoritism.
If a player gets dropped from the team its a cast iron certainty there is more to it than anything a bunch of dingbats like us can point out from a few game snippets.
If Grix gets dropped, there'll be a good reason for it, if Jowitt gets dropped there'll be a good reason for it.
With that in mind, we're all entitled to an opinion but I often find myself wondering why people post overly biased obviously agenda driven comments.
I mean Chezzy aint God or anything, he'll make mistakes like everyone else but he's in a far better position to make the right calls than us.
Nothing is ever as black and white as "Jowitt made errors" but we're not gonna spend 8 hours analyzing player performance, stats, attitude and miscellaneous in a 15 minute press interview, that's a job for the playing staff and support.

Re: Composure. : Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:39 am  

Our number one problem seems to be our inability to back up a good performance.
We have not won in consecutive weeks since the first 4 rounds.
We have only won consecutive rounds once since then (rounds 16 Widnes A and 17 Wigan H), but then we had a week off in between for the cup .

Why is this?
Mental? Skill? physical? fitness? coaching?

We just need to have that killer instinct to finish off games. The games against Sts & Wigan are examples of games we need to be winning if we want to challenge for the top 4. We were the better side in large portions of those matches. Our defence and attack are as good as anything in SL. It's just those lapses in concentration, errors and silly penalties that have prevented us achieving to our potential.
We play high quality, entertaining rugby.
We have the most stable squad that i can remember. Injuries have been relatively light. When was the last time we didn't make mid-season signings?
I think, despite eventual finishing position, we are a better team than last year. If we can be more consistent next year, the sky's the limit.