Re: Note : Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:32 pm  

TrinTrin wrote:

Now to reveal the truth, High court ruling, case law, " Millgate developments Ltd. V Wokingham borough council 2011" Quote, " local authorities can enforce a unilateral agreement " which it goes on to explain is a section 106 agreement & ties in the developer to not only meet requirements agreed but also a sum of money, in this case for 14 house they had to provide cash of £170, 500 case upheld and goes on to explain this means case law for the future. It has not been removed. More importantly, copies of case law in particular planning issues are sent to ALL Local Authorities for distribution and to take note & act on. .

It is not a legal authority that a unilateral agreement is enforceable, as far as I can tell, but merely states that it is (ie, it is beyond doubt) whilst going on to determine other things.

The crucial difference is that Wokingham Borough Council sought to enforce it and the developer challenged it. Here, WMDC haven't sought to enforce it at all. And that is the crux of everything. A council that does not have any interest in enforcing a promise.

Re: Note : Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:58 pm  

Point taken slugger, but the main point is that the, the - council can, could & should have enforced it, I accept your point of view they were not interested,knowingly or un'knowingly. That does not excuse a local authorities duty in carrying out its duties correctly & with due dilligance. Our leader has not made one mistake on/to a similar scheme namely in Castleford. i am not crowing against that scheme, only wanting parity.
Therefore draw your own conclusions, however, the day of reckoning may be upon the leader & the council, they only have a slight chance of a way out & redemption if they can get another scheme to a successful conclusion.

Re: Note : Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:23 pm  

The issue is not the fact that they have not enforced the UU because there is nothing to enforce yet as the 60,000 sq ft trigger is still at zero.

The issue is whether they were correct in allowing Newcold not to contribute to the trigger as a stand alone application which leads to the current application. Gaitleys letter basically says because the land was taken out of green belt in the LDF then the PI for Newmarket with the condition to build a stadium no longer applies.

The Trust thinks differently and it may take a High Court Judge to decide.

Re: Note : Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:37 pm  

No stadium = no planning permission in the first place...surely it's as simple as that. Or doesn't common sense apply in a court of law?

Re: Note : Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:28 pm  

Sandal cat is right about the trigger size but misses the point, cllr Box allowed Yorkcourt to dodge the trigger size by building above scale to a height obtrusive to the whole area & it's residents. Only when it was just about built did the facts become know'n. When questioned about permitting this his stance was he could not stop it and the area cover was under the trigger point, even had they have built over the sized trigger point - the council could not enforce the unilateral 106 agreement.
As my previous post, that was simply not true ! The council could have placed a stop notice that the Newcold scheme was not correct & to the original scheme aggregated as per Sec of State permission had understood & granted. Then Yorkcourt faced with that stop notice have a choice - to appeal which the council would have turned down leaving them to apply to the Secretary of state. BINGO, sorted one way or the other.
Newcold wanted the floor space & so could have agreed to build past the figure stated. Quite rightly Yorkcourt could have said no deal to Newcold but then the situation - message sent out to anyone interested there is a problem to this site. Not something Yorkcourt would have wanted when trying to develop a site & maintain cashflow.
The whole problem comes back to our so called council leader having an agenda to not deliver - something now recognized by our MP.
As I have stated, either there is collusion to not deliver or it - the situation has suited both parties, let's not make excuses for them, the two parties.
They are dis-in-genuine, if you are genuine, then you would get on with things - deliver & let your good name bring in more business.
R.I.BA. Have a plan of work document that runs from Quote, " inception to completion, completion = feedback "
Feedback is interesting reading, it's how best parties can learn from the whole process to enable future schemes to be undertaken not only for a smoother overall operation & delivery of the process as a whole, but to benefit society as a whole. Therefore, surely it's not naive to think that Yorkcourt are not aware of this ! I am as a full professional person in these processes, so they must be.

Re: Note : Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:42 am  

TrinTrin wrote:

Sandal cat is right about the trigger size but misses the point, cllr Box allowed Yorkcourt to dodge the trigger size by building above scale to a height obtrusive to the whole area & it's residents. Only when it was just about built did the facts become know'n. When questioned about permitting this his stance was he could not stop it and the area cover was under the trigger point, even had they have built over the sized trigger point - the council could not enforce the unilateral 106 agreement.
As my previous post, that was simply not true ! The council could have placed a stop notice that the Newcold scheme was not correct & to the original scheme aggregated as per Sec of State permission had understood & granted. Then Yorkcourt faced with that stop notice have a choice - to appeal which the council would have turned down leaving them to apply to the Secretary of state. BINGO, sorted one way or the other.
Newcold wanted the floor space & so could have agreed to build past the figure stated. Quite rightly Yorkcourt could have said no deal to Newcold but then the situation - message sent out to anyone interested there is a problem to this site. Not something Yorkcourt would have wanted when trying to develop a site & maintain cashflow.
The whole problem comes back to our so called council leader having an agenda to not deliver - something now recognized by our MP.
As I have stated, either there is collusion to not deliver or it - the situation has suited both parties, let's not make excuses for them, the two parties.
They are dis-in-genuine, if you are genuine, then you would get on with things - deliver & let your good name bring in more business.
R.I.BA. Have a plan of work document that runs from Quote, " inception to completion, completion = feedback "
Feedback is interesting reading, it's how best parties can learn from the whole process to enable future schemes to be undertaken not only for a smoother overall operation & delivery of the process as a whole, but to benefit society as a whole. Therefore, surely it's not naive to think that Yorkcourt are not aware of this ! I am as a full professional person in these processes, so they must be.

Dont think I have missed the point.

The Council could not issue a stop notice on Newcold once they had granted consent provided it was constructed in accordance with that consent. Their error was in passing it but we all have our own opinions on why they did which I wont share on here but I think they may have acted Ultra Vires.

The current application is what we have been waiting for as it opens up the possibility of legal challenges. The Council are caught between a rock and a hard place. Approve it and risk a Judicial Review or refuse it and face an appeal to the Planning Inspectorate, the very body Yorkcourt promised the stadium to.

Our Lawyers have been instructed and are on the case.

Like you I'm a professional having worked on big regeneration projects such as Newmarket and with numerous Developers and I would suggest that rather than us discussing matters on here it would be useful and advantageous for us to have a chat. Could you please sent me a PM and he we can speak directly with each other.

Re: Note : Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:13 pm  

Yes, I meant it to be placed at point of request & it is a power to the council,sorry for any confusion on my part, I made it look like after building when I was merely stating the leader's comments after the furore & that cllr Box could have judged the situation & used the powers open to them by using a stop notice at the correct time which I did not make clear, but I am always willing to concede points unlike our council.
With regard to discussing points away from the attention of our supporters then no, there has been far too much schh - were doing something, don't tell them, our supporters & public. I can agree that some times information needs to be retained, if sensitive but not all the time which has helped to mislead people as our two so called partners have done.
With these two, I consider that if you have truth & integrity + openness , public supporters are not left frustrated, better not to take part in their type of behaviour. They can however start again & be open, this would start to create faith & confidence, but it's a lot to pull back now.

Re: Note : Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:24 pm  

As a rate payer & trinity season ticket holder let's be open in discussing matters.

Re: Note : Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:59 pm  

There's a good reason our opposition don't release details relating to their past, current or future intentions.
Place your trust in the people we have fighting our corner and don't ask for stupid concessions on an open public forum that could prejudice our position, just because you wanna know what's going on.
I would imagine everything that can be disclosed safely, has been, and they wouldn't be very good at their job if they came here leaking info and giving the opposition free ammunition.
Quite frankly.....never mind....3 days in the cooler

Re: Note : Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:00 pm  

Joe Banjo wrote:

As a rate payer & trinity season ticket holder let's be open in discussing matters.

Surely no one expects the Trust to discuss on a public forum information that may be of use to us if we do end up in the High Court.