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Re: Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:44 pm  
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The lack of a reserve grade is IMHO the most criminal act ever perpatrated on our game and there are a lot to chose from!



Agreed vastman, and let’s be honest, it’s just the estimated £30,000 which hold the majority back, our game is skint and ran by amateurs.
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Re: Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:35 pm  
Why didn't Wakefield have one two years ago when they were first reinstated?
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Re: Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:47 pm  
Reinstated :lol:
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Re: Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:49 pm  
FSW wrote:
Saving up for a new ground.


Ah yes the new ground that will cost £1. I guess that does require saving up in Cas.
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Re: Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:51 pm  
Going on teams running a reserve side and teams that say they want to - Wakey, Hull, Halifax, Bradford, Wigan, Saints, Warrington, do the following fixture list (using Wigan as an example)

- Wakey (a)
- Wire (h)
- Bradford (a)
- Hull (h)
- Bye
- Saints (a)
- Halifax (h)
- Wakey (h)
- Wire (a)
- Bradford (h)
- Hull (a)
- Bye
- Saints (h)
- Halifax (a)

Repeat over for 24 games over the year, that’s plenty as you probably won’t want any over Easter as your 1st team squad is usually stretched over that period. Easy, stop making complaints it’s not doable if all teams aren’t running a reserve team.
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Re: Reserve Teams : Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:39 pm  
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Going on teams running a reserve side and teams that say they want to - Wakey, Hull, Halifax, Bradford, Wigan, Saints, Warrington, do the following fixture list (using Wigan as an example)

- Wakey (a)
- Wire (h)
- Bradford (a)
- Hull (h)
- Bye
- Saints (a)
- Halifax (h)
- Wakey (h)
- Wire (a)
- Bradford (h)
- Hull (a)
- Bye
- Saints (h)
- Halifax (a)

Repeat over for 24 games over the year, that’s plenty as you probably won’t want any over Easter as your 1st team squad is usually stretched over that period. Easy, stop making complaints it’s not doable if all teams aren’t running a reserve team.

As I just posted on the VT.
For me it would be great to get a large proportion of SL teams playing a reserve team, it doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme if some don't. But I know Hull have signed extra players to have a squad big enough to run a reserves and when they agreed to come back apparently they were told, as we were, that there was going to be a proper set of fixtures and more teams committing to it and the opposites happened. If the teams like Wigan, Wire & Saints who seem up for reserves committed this season, it would have been at least a good number of games for players that aren't going to make the 1st team and 1st-year players to get game time & thus serve its purpose, but they haven't.

I wonder if both Hull and Trinity's owners are thinking they should have saved their money and gone full out dual reg instead.
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Re: Reserve Teams : Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:13 pm  
well, they should have if the other tosspots can't scrape a team together

it can't be a financially motivated decision, and thus looks verrry suspect, so reasons....on a postcard...this thread
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Re: Reserve Teams : Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:39 pm  
I think the real flaws with DR and one that never seems to get addressed is this. When, certainly as a young player, you play in Wakefield's A team for example you are still very much playing for YOUR club.

Some of the players you are playing with you already know and trust, others may be first team stars you have respected for a number of years but you are all still part of the club.

In the past some players have spent years playing mainly reserve football only to have a golden summer where they finally break through. Those players tend to show more pride and commitment than most others. They have proved a real asset for clubs like ours in the past.

Also, especially at a club like ours, the clubs ethos is a big thing, in all honesty how many Championship clubs are there that can replicate this, especially at a part time level? I know reserve grade players will generally be part time, but it's part time within a professional full time environment - virtually no Championship or NL1 club can offer that.

To me DR is the ultimate example of treating players like pieces of meat. What exactly does DR offer a young player? Generally they still train in the closed season with there home clubs so other than match day and a few training sessions a week what bond do hey have with there DR club and there fellow players? Not much I'd suggest. How does that motivate a player to perform? Great in theory rubbish in practice.

So other than them being taken out of a SL environment and playing in a relatively poor competition I just don't see what they gain. What I do see is the chance of them picking up bad habits - it's not a slur on the lower division clubs it's just reality as they can't possible offer the same levels of training and playing and team mates as a full time club.

Worse still as a player gets older and gets shipped about it dilutes their commitment to making it at their parent club, which is akin to flushing years of development down the bog. How long before most players think 'if I play well at Dewsbury I might get a new deal here, it's not SL or Trinity but at least I'll get regular footy, a bit of a wage and the chance shine'. Most people by a certain age reach a point where they feel they have gone as far as they can and the thought of playing before a thousand fans at Dewsbury sounds ok, hell it's more than most get and it's still quite an achievement.

Perhaps not straight away but eventually DR will rob most young players of their desire to succeed at the very club they really want to succeed at, it's built into it's DNA and thus it's counter productive imho. With the reserve system the player has a choice, battle for your chance or go find it elsewhere and to me that's a far better scenario.
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Re: Reserve Teams : Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:57 pm  
A player playing away from his parent club on DR feels like the RL equivalent of a zero hours contract, or at least that other exploitative industry of agency work.
Dunno exactly what the financial advantages are for a parent club, I suppose it varies but it seems like they are 5h1tting on their players to some extent or another.
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Re: Reserve Teams : Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:25 pm  
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I think the real flaws with DR and one that never seems to get addressed is this. When, certainly as a young player, you play in Wakefield's A team for example you are still very much playing for YOUR club.

Some of the players you are playing with you already know and trust, others may be first team stars you have respected for a number of years but you are all still part of the club.

In the past some players have spent years playing mainly reserve football only to have a golden summer where they finally break through. Those players tend to show more pride and commitment than most others. They have proved a real asset for clubs like ours in the past.

Also, especially at a club like ours, the clubs ethos is a big thing, in all honesty how many Championship clubs are there that can replicate this, especially at a part time level? I know reserve grade players will generally be part time, but it's part time within a professional full time environment - virtually no Championship or NL1 club can offer that.

To me DR is the ultimate example of treating players like pieces of meat. What exactly does DR offer a young player? Generally they still train in the closed season with there home clubs so other than match day and a few training sessions a week what bond do hey have with there DR club and there fellow players? Not much I'd suggest. How does that motivate a player to perform? Great in theory rubbish in practice.

So other than them being taken out of a SL environment and playing in a relatively poor competition I just don't see what they gain. What I do see is the chance of them picking up bad habits - it's not a slur on the lower division clubs it's just reality as they can't possible offer the same levels of training and playing and team mates as a full time club.

Worse still as a player gets older and gets shipped about it dilutes their commitment to making it at their parent club, which is akin to flushing years of development down the bog. How long before most players think 'if I play well at Dewsbury I might get a new deal here, it's not SL or Trinity but at least I'll get regular footy, a bit of a wage and the chance shine'. Most people by a certain age reach a point where they feel they have gone as far as they can and the thought of playing before a thousand fans at Dewsbury sounds ok, hell it's more than most get and it's still quite an achievement.

Perhaps not straight away but eventually DR will rob most young players of their desire to succeed at the very club they really want to succeed at, it's built into it's DNA and thus it's counter productive imho. With the reserve system the player has a choice, battle for your chance or go find it elsewhere and to me that's a far better scenario.


Yet plenty of examples of Leeds lads on DR who have gotten good/great reviews so doesn’t fit with what you’re saying. Newman and Oledzki are the latest examples and Fev/Bradford fans had nothing but glowing opinions on their performances. The likes of Singleton, Golding, Sutcliffe, Handley did the same. Keinhorst was going nowhere really after making his debut in 2012 yet an early season stint at Hunslet playing 2nd row saw him back at Leeds playing that position for the 2nd half of the year and in a GF win setting up the winning try.

You saying players won’t be motivated playing DR yet clear evidence from numerous players and the reports of their performances over the years at Leeds that shoot your theory down.
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