Re: I just cannot understand the criticism : Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:17 am  

I think the opening poster is totally wrong. yesterday was dire and injuries are no excuse and if I’m shot down so be it.

However put in context hopefully this is a low water mark in what’s been an incredible 3 - 4 years.

Last night aside injuries have played a huge part this year, combine this with the sticky patches all teams have it not so bad. In truth we have been spoiled of late. Not that long ago holding Leeds to ten points would be considered an achievement.

It’s simple and rather like Leeds we need a win and the only people who can manufacture that are the players.

To the OP, it’s mostly not criticism it’s an honest appraisal from most. We can’t kid ourselves, even taking injuries into account we are playing quite badly at the moment.

It will change but hopefully sooner rather than later.

Re: I just cannot understand the criticism : Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:06 pm  

But who's going to change it Fisherman we've been playing the same way now for a long time other teams know exactly what we're going to do & it's the same every week a lot of people on here won't have a word said about Chester but him & his coaching colleagues have to come up with some variations. we look so flatfooted

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Re: I just cannot understand the criticism : Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:31 pm  

Fishermanscap wrote:

I think the opening poster is totally wrong. yesterday was dire and injuries are no excuse and if I’m shot down so be it.

However put in context hopefully this is a low water mark in what’s been an incredible 3 - 4 years.

Last night aside injuries have played a huge part this year, combine this with the sticky patches all teams have it not so bad. In truth we have been spoiled of late. Not that long ago holding Leeds to ten points would be considered an achievement.

It’s simple and rather like Leeds we need a win and the only people who can manufacture that are the players.

To the OP, it’s mostly not criticism it’s an honest appraisal from most. We can’t kid ourselves, even taking injuries into account we are playing quite badly at the moment.

It will change but hopefully sooner rather than later.

I'd like to disagree if that's ok.

Firstly injuries may not be an excuse but they are a reason. Changing formations and partnerships will always affect execution and for me that is what is wrong at the moment.
Also, there was no lack of effort yesterday. We forced 4 drop outs from the off so there was no slow start, we just didn't execute the play correctly and put a poor pass out that ended up in touch.
Same with the moans about wet weather rugby. Leeds defended the middle well so one out rugby wasn't working. Brough's kicking was exactly right. We just messed up the play to get the ball with Miller trying to catch on the full rather than letting them make the mistake or Hampshire trying for the ball and catching the player off the ball.
Again the game changing move was great in that the ball went to the new guy out wide who broke free. Hampshire made the effort to catch up but ran rowards him rather than leaving a passing option so the fullback has the intercept and pass within reach.
BJB not diving. It's all execution.
Sau could have had 3 tries if the ball had been a good pass.

Re: I just cannot understand the criticism : Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:19 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Sau could have had 3 tries if the ball had been a good pass.

It was the quality of passing that killed our attack last night.
This is clearly not down to ability as EVERY SL player is more than capable of passing a rugby ball but, we need to find out just why we are "passing the ball anywhere" rather than execute a decent pass.
Are we frightened of taking a hit or under so much pressure that we cant perform.

The best players can make the right calls and execute their skills under the severest pressure and the lower down the shaft you go, the ability to perform as often or, under more pressure, reduces.

I have to say that I really thought that the players that we have, especially the pivots / spine were way better than they showed last night and some of our last tackle plays were just not good enough, which ordinarily you would say is down to our main organiser (Brough). He and Miller look like they cant/ dont want to play in the same side, which, based on their early season form is just bizarre.

Re: I just cannot understand the criticism : Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:42 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I'd like to disagree if that's ok.

Firstly injuries may not be an excuse but they are a reason. Changing formations and partnerships will always affect execution and for me that is what is wrong at the moment.
Also, there was no lack of effort yesterday. We forced 4 drop outs from the off so there was no slow start, we just didn't execute the play correctly and put a poor pass out that ended up in touch.
Same with the moans about wet weather rugby. Leeds defended the middle well so one out rugby wasn't working. Brough's kicking was exactly right. We just messed up the play to get the ball with Miller trying to catch on the full rather than letting them make the mistake or Hampshire trying for the ball and catching the player off the ball.
Again the game changing move was great in that the ball went to the new guy out wide who broke free. Hampshire made the effort to catch up but ran rowards him rather than leaving a passing option so the fullback has the intercept and pass within reach.
BJB not diving. It's all execution.
Sau could have had 3 tries if the ball had been a good pass.

Frankly I’d be amazed if you didn’t disagree, it’s certainly your style where I’m concerned.

You’re not totally wrong nobody is. However your desire to be contrary on last night is somewhat contradictory. Read your post from half time last night and unless I’m mistaking you’re pretty much calling it a dire performance, am I wrong?

Re: I just cannot understand the criticism : Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:51 pm  

PopTart wrote:

BJB not diving. It's all execution.

Repeat of his cock up at Cas earlier this year. He just doesn't have the acceleration to get close enough in those situations

PopTart wrote:

Sau could have had 3 tries if the ball had been a good pass.

Missing Jowitt ?

Re: I just cannot understand the criticism : Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:51 pm  

we just didn't look to grind a result out, maybe we don't have the grunt and determination to do it. Last play potions very poor but not much wrong with our kicking game. Nothing came from the half backs and the pack seemed overpowered. The squads been sunk by injuries to key players and we still need to get back to anything like a full squad.
for me the biggest disappointments Miller who at the moment can not seem to get in to gear, his game times been limited but I expected more from him.
The swap with Salfords proved totally ineffective and I didn't seen the need for it in the first place.
Its been a frustrating few weeks and once again we need the players to step up in general and the senior players to get a grip and perform like we know they can. Leadership seems non existent.

Re: I just cannot understand the criticism : Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:12 pm  

Warrington have easily beaten Catalan & had 7 first team players missing but the players that did play were all singing from the same songsheet that surely has to be down to the coaching staff or the players are just not good enough to coach

Re: I just cannot understand the criticism : Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:44 pm  

lampyboy wrote:

we just didn't look to grind a result out, maybe we don't have the grunt and determination to do it. Last play potions very poor but not much wrong with our kicking game. Nothing came from the half backs and the pack seemed overpowered. The squads been sunk by injuries to key players and we still need to get back to anything like a full squad.
for me the biggest disappointments Miller who at the moment can not seem to get in to gear, his game times been limited but I expected more from him.
The swap with Salfords proved totally ineffective and I didn't seen the need for it in the first place.
Its been a frustrating few weeks and once again we need the players to step up in general and the senior players to get a grip and perform like we know they can. Leadership seems non existent.

Well the coach told us why he shipped Pauli out, and told him in no uncertain terms didn't he?!! I partly agree with you, nothing against Sau, but now he's picked Croft, he could have played him before. Now Sau can't play next week, then unless we don't know something, Tupou will be back, what then for Sau? Pretty pointless, unless of course Pauli does come back fitter, faster and the best back row in the comp......

Re: I just cannot understand the criticism : Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:48 pm  

. He and Miller look like they cant/ dont want to play in the same side, which, based on their early season form is just bizarre.[/quote]

Shades of the days when Broughie and Brad Drew played together eh.

Re last night, if you recall there must have been two or three occasions when we were "over the line", but held up and a little bit of nous from BJB would have given us another four points. So the approach work couldn't have been all that bad even though it looked it.