Re: Referee for wigan game. : Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:58 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Disagree.
First off, we cant do anything about who ref's our games so, we're better off just getting on with it.
Yes, Trinity have had some dodgy calls over the years, although not too many that match up to the try that Saints were disallowed last weekend and I possibly agree that our ref on Sunday isn't the best BUT, he will very likely be equally bad (or good) for both sides.

If you try standing/sitting with the opposition fans for either half, the will be complaining just as much as "we" do.

It's always easier to blame the ref, rather than our own players and he will probably make far fewer mistakes.

Think you’ve missed my point entirely, unusual for you tbf.

I’m not suggesting for a minute we are treated any better or worse than anyone else. Although I think we lack some of the ‘stronger’ characters some other teams have.

My point is far more basic. I don’t think the quality of the refs we are producing is good enough. As I state it’s probably not their fault but at the moment for me only Thaler seems to have the strength of personality to cope and even he has off days.

Am I wrong or do you think the system as it stands is good enough? You might though I doubt it but to say folk questioning certain refs are talking nonsense is grossly unfair imho, it’s a legitimate debate.

This particular ref I am yet to see have good game regardless of teams playing.

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Re: Referee for wigan game. : Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:21 pm  

I'm fine with the refs.
Sometimes make mistakes but as said above, they seem to make less when you are a neutral.
Its a stacked deck against them with many making their mind up before anyone runs on the field.

Re: Referee for wigan game. : Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:25 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Its a stacked deck against them with many making their mind up before anyone runs on the field.

If only it was just the refs eh

Re: Referee for wigan game. : Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:25 am  

Fishermanscap wrote:

Think you’ve missed my point entirely, unusual for you tbf.

I’m not suggesting for a minute we are treated any better or worse than anyone else. Although I think we lack some of the ‘stronger’ characters some other teams have.

My point is far more basic. I don’t think the quality of the refs we are producing is good enough. As I state it’s probably not their fault but at the moment for me only Thaler seems to have the strength of personality to cope and even he has off days.

Am I wrong or do you think the system as it stands is good enough? You might though I doubt it but to say folk questioning certain refs are talking nonsense is grossly unfair imho, it’s a legitimate debate.

This particular ref I am yet to see have good game regardless of teams playing.

I think that the main thrust of the thread was that we would get "worse" calls, than Wigan, if this guy was the ref and it is this issue that I disagree with.
The "quality" of SL refs is a different issue altogether. Mind you, with some of the stick that they get, including death threats etc, how the hell are we supposed to encourage more/better refs into the game.
If you recall, a few seasons ago, Hicks was regarded as "soft" and not able to control games etc and although he made a serious error in the final (not going to the screen for a Saints try), on the whole, he's a pretty good ref.
The bottom line is that, just as players need some time to develop, the ref's also need some "bedding in" time.

I'll still be cursing the guy on Sunday when calls dont go our way but, they are all just trying to do their job to the best of their ability and we should all try and cut them some slack.

Re: Referee for wigan game. : Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:22 am  

I'm fairly relaxed about which ref we get these days - because I don't recall a single one of our many losses that can be attributed to the referee; rather, it can be laid squarely at the door of our players and/or coaches.

At the same time, I do agree that some are better than others; that said, it's also the case that some players are better than others, and they tend to improve in a supportive environment, with experience and time - and the same is true of referees. I'd prefer if BV was a place they could come and feel certain that they won't hear chants about their onanism, or receive death threats from swivel-eyed nutjobs who can't control their emotions.

Re: Referee for wigan game. : Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:21 pm  

Where do we start with this one

Re: Referee for wigan game. : Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:29 pm  

Great perfomance by the lads, some real guts and some real aggression in defence. But this clown shouldn't referee SL again. Knock on Marshall 1St try , not tapped central for 2nd, the sarginson incident a disgrace Wigan get the penalty. Head high given for a legal shoulder tackle then double movement for Powell try. The guy is a joke and cost us 2 points today.

Re: Referee for wigan game. : Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:30 pm  

Absolutely spot on

Re: Referee for wigan game. : Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:45 pm  

Only ourselves to blame for all that Wigan took. That penalty that Kirmond gave away, with about 3 to go on the last tackle, typified the lack of brain cell in some of our forwards. Very similar to Catalans yesterday dumb, dumb play. Tanginoa and Green were outstanding and I don't think either gave away a penalty or an error.

Broughs kicking was hopeless again. At 12-12 why not a drop instead of giving Marshall another 80 metre run on a plate. Escare is hot and cold but I wish we could keep him.

Steve Price was in the North Stand. Bet he went away pretty happy as regards both us and Wigan.

Thant you Leeds Rhinos BTW.

Re: Referee for wigan game. : Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:48 pm  

The tap from the wrong place was an absolute shocker. Were not talking feet or inches, it was yards from the correct place.
EVERY side has been pulled up for up for this so many times but WTF happened this afternoon. Disgraceful and it was the game breaker.

Penalties around the ruck seemed to be reffed totally differently as well.
We're supposed to have clamped down on moving from the mark but, today, not at all.
Wigan were rolling a couple of yards after the completed tackle, leaving the markers where the ball should have been played.