Re: Trinity Operations : Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:55 am  

Fishermanscap wrote:

My theory would be this but I’d don’t know.

The NHS would cover all emergent stuff at A&E, so virtually any injury on field that need immediate attention, same as anyone else.

I’m fairly sure that there is no private sector A&E as such and an ambulance will only take you to an NHS hospital even if you’re a rock god.

After the initial treatment then I suspect that’s where it starts to head privately if needed.

I an injury is long running and diagnosed by the clubs medical staff and needs treatment they can’t offer them I’d guess that would be private unless it were so complex that only the NHS could treat it ie something non sports related like I hate to say it but a cancer or heart issue.

It’s a mix I guess. So no I don’t think they get any more preferential treatment than any one else at A&E. Times vary but o had a broken ankle and I was in and out in less than three hours! but I’m sure that’s not always so. The private stuff will be exactly when you want it as you’re paying.

It’s fair enough I see no demons here.

A lot of injuries to the players are shoulder related and very difficult to detect immediately, the shoulder is surrounded by muscles which are surrounded by more muscle, an ordinary x ray will not show up the problem like it would a fracture, for example a tear in say the infraspinitus a common injury but hard to detect without a scan, a club can't afford to go through the process with the NHS as it's so lengthy and time consuming hence the need to go private.

Re: Trinity Operations : Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:00 am  

One would reasonably assume that if there is to be privately provided treatment, that players would be covered by a health insurance policy? I don't imagine the premiums being cheap - given the nature of their work - but it would at least flatten out the cost.

Re: Trinity Operations : Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:48 pm  

But how much would a policy cost each year?
You have to cover 35+ players and if a private operation costs approx £10K plus excesses then the premium could easily rack up to £200k. In the absence of a centrally negotiated SuperLeague policy it might be better to directly negotiate a deal with Spire Healthcare.

Re: Trinity Operations : Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:57 pm  

FSW wrote:

But how much would a policy cost each year?
You have to cover 35+ players and if a private operation costs approx £10K plus excesses then the premium could easily rack up to £200k. In the absence of a centrally negotiated SuperLeague policy it might be better to directly negotiate a deal with Spire Healthcare.

That was rather my point - although having some experience with private health care, it seems that they will refuse as many treatments as they will authorise, on the basis of it being a pre-existing condition; which in the case of pro RL players, would probably be pretty much everything.

Re: Trinity Operations : Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:24 pm  

bren2k wrote:

That was rather my point - although having some experience with private health care, it seems that they will refuse as many treatments as they will authorise, on the basis of it being a pre-existing condition; which in the case of pro RL players, would probably be pretty much everything.

You're right however they will cover almost anything, even some pre-existing but at a price, one I assume we have to pay.

It is worth noting though that a lot of these ops are relatively minor procedures in surgical terms and not that costly. I think it ranges between £300 -£500 an hour for surgery time, less if under local anaesthetic or that's what I'm told (my info may be wrong but not by much).

Any normal person would have the operation carried out in due course or not at all in some case. It's only the fact that these are highly trained athletes whose very job depends on fitness levels way beyond the norm that they gain such significance in both importance and timing.

I imagine some of the 20+ procedures took less than an hour and required minimal outpatients, with the clubs own medical staff providing the aftercare.

Could be way out but I expect its an expense that's budgeted for and some years you end up on top and occasionally like last year you very much don't.

Re: Trinity Operations : Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:11 pm  

Didn't Mike Lampkowski have to give up the game because he couldn't get insurance cover? His style of play resulted in many more collision injuries than most.

Re: Trinity Operations : Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:50 pm  

Eastern Wildcat wrote:

That's my thoughts too Wayne.

Maybe also there are such things as waiting lists too.

BLM, was Jordys op a plate insertion. I had one inserted when I had my jaw broken, after being assaulted a while back.

Didn’t need a plate in the end, went in from the side of his face and managed to push it back into position.

Re: Trinity Operations : Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:54 pm  

Big lads mate wrote:

Didn’t need a plate in the end, went in from the side of his face and managed to push it back into position.

Did he cry?

Re: Trinity Operations : Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:55 pm  

If like jordan, I suspect most players pay a monthly insurance premium which they can claim on after such injuries and operations .

Re: Trinity Operations : Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:58 pm  

JINJER wrote:

Did he cry?

No jinjer made my eyes water a bit telling me about it though he might be a few things but being soft isn’t one of them.