Re: Running on to the ball. : Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:29 pm  

ricardo07 wrote:

Have to declare my age 68 but I am tired of players receiving the ball when they are stood still.

What makes it worse is when others around them are stood on the same mark rather than in a deeper position.

To me, lying deeper would help in 2 key areas.

Three quarters would have more time to get the ball out to the wing. Alternatively just speed up the passing which incidentally is an embarrassment at the moment and really needs working on.

Forwards running on to the ball have momentum that does not exist when they receive it stood still and even when stopped have the advantage from leg pumping.
Tanginoa and Pitts are in my opinion top drawer for this but many of our forwards are too easy to stop. This was demonstrated very well last night when a much physically smaller Bradford pack more than held their own against us.

Finally why are we so slow to move up in a defensive line even after the opposition have made a mistake we hang back instead of hounding them. Once again this was demonstrated in the first half against Hull. At least 4 of their forwards moved up quickly so that they met us while we were stood even when the ball had moved across the line.

At the moment we just are not quick enough and I include thinking in that which is such a shame with the potential of TJ on the wing.

We were lethargic in the second half of last season and to date this season have not fired on all cylinders yet.

After last night's wake up call we need a motivator like John Kear on the pitch and in Jay Pitts who proved at London that he is captain material.

Excellent post ric. I agree with every point that you make 100%.

Re: Running on to the ball. : Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:43 pm  

I know that the subject has been flogged to death and I don't intend to go any further than the following statement:

Much as I like Chris Chester, it is ultimately down to him. Most people on this forum seem to agree with what ricardo says, but I can only think that CC thinks it is beneath him to take advice from all the "amateurs" on this forum. Apart from The Kear spell at BV we are totally devoid of attacking ideas except from one or two odd flashes as per Reece Lyne last night. Sadly, I cannot see any trophies being in the Trinity cabinet whilst CC is in sole charge.

Re: Running on to the ball. : Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:56 pm  

I can not guarantee we will stay in super league with Mr Chester and is backroom staff in charge

Re: Running on to the ball. : Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:44 pm  

alegend wrote:

I can not guarantee we will stay in super league with Mr Chester and is backroom staff in charge

Can you name one person who can guarantee we won’t stay in super league with Mr Chester in charge. No, I didn’t think so.

[PopTart]

Re: Running on to the ball. : Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:21 am  

Redscat wrote:

I know that the subject has been flogged to death and I don't intend to go any further than the following statement:

Much as I like Chris Chester, it is ultimately down to him. Most people on this forum seem to agree with what ricardo says, but I can only think that CC thinks it is beneath him to take advice from all the "amateurs" on this forum. Apart from The Kear spell at BV we are totally devoid of attacking ideas except from one or two odd flashes as per Reece Lyne last night. Sadly, I cannot see any trophies being in the Trinity cabinet whilst CC is in sole charge.

Are you actually suggesting Chester should listen to the fans for his tactics? That's probably wins the award for most ridiculous post this season.... And we've had a lot of competition so far.
There is a famous quote, If a coach starts listening to the fans, he'll soon be standing with them.

It would sometimes be better to run on to the ball but sometimes not.

If you watch some games from the past where there is a really deep line it looks spectacular when they run through a broken line, but you'll also see a large percentage that don't even cross the gain line in a whole set.
These days the defense would just trot up and keep a fixed line and stop you. It would hurt a bit more if they have momentum but you need metres gained for early sets and that is what standing a bit shallower gets you with less effort. It's percentage rugby and I'm pretty sure that is first page in the John Kear handbook too.

I agree there are times that standing deeper would help, but they are at key points in the game not every play and certainly not the forward dfives.

Re: Running on to the ball. : Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:42 am  

Lots of posters on here are ex players, so they're not all wrong PT!
I'm not beyond school level (a long time ago) but I can recognise when a team is clueless in attack and when they aren't.
Let's face it, no matter how good Bradford were on Friday (and I acknowledge they were good) we shouldn't have struggled against them as we did. It was embarrassing at times to watch players throwing the ball to team mates in panic mode at times and in an ad hoc fashion.
We have no idea at times in how to break a defence down, particularly near the line, and yet clubs like Cas' do it with ease.
In my view we have some outstanding attacking players at Wakefield who's potential is simply not being used.
Something is wrong and needs putting right because if not we're looking down yet again, not up.
This is the opinion of a coach from the terraces, way below the standard of a SL coach but I aint blind!

Re: Running on to the ball. : Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:48 am  

I agree sometimes being deep gets you no advantage but just watch the quality halves over last 15 years like thurston lockyer etc and see how far back they stand and guide everybody around exactly what they want to do on a play

Re: Running on to the ball. : Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:19 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Are you actually suggesting Chester should listen to the fans for his tactics? That's probably wins the award for most ridiculous post this season.... And we've had a lot of competition so far.
There is a famous quote, If a coach starts listening to the fans, he'll soon be standing with them.

It would sometimes be better to run on to the ball but sometimes not.

If you watch some games from the past where there is a really deep line it looks spectacular when they run through a broken line, but you'll also see a large percentage that don't even cross the gain line in a whole set.
These days the defense would just trot up and keep a fixed line and stop you. It would hurt a bit more if they have momentum but you need metres gained for early sets and that is what standing a bit shallower gets you with less effort. It's percentage rugby and I'm pretty sure that is first page in the John Kear handbook too.

I agree there are times that standing deeper would help, but they are at key points in the game not every play and certainly not the forward dfives.

Don't be ridiculous yourself PT. You're a moderator not a judge and jury. I was not being riduculous and I have been watching this game since before you were born so a little bit of respect please.

You're like a lot on here who try to make what is basically a simple game into some sort of scientific / psychological exercise with your theorising and spread sheet diatribe.

What i was saying was that the points raised by ricardo in his original post are tried and tested, and been employed successfully by far better teams than us in the past and currently,and are virtually ignored by CC. So may be it could be time that he looked long and hard at those points instead of turning out unadventurous, flat line attacks match after match.
All those points raised by ricardo were valid, and many other supporters I speak to agree.

Re: Running on to the ball. : Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:54 pm  

Redscat wrote:

Don't be ridiculous yourself PT. You're a moderator not a judge and jury. I was not being riduculous and I have been watching this game since before you were born so a little bit of respect please.

You're like a lot on here who try to make what is basically a simple game into some sort of scientific / psychological exercise with your theorising and spread sheet diatribe.

What i was saying was that the points raised by ricardo in his original post are tried and tested, and been employed successfully by far better teams than us in the past and currently,and are virtually ignored by CC. So may be it could be time that he looked long and hard at those points instead of turning out unadventurous, flat line attacks match after match.
All those points raised by ricardo were valid, and many other supporters I speak to agree.

Good post redders, next home game I'll pop down to your little spot at the bottom corner and see if we can't put right the problem, a bit of topic I know but do you think there's now a chance we won't get relegated if no more footballs played.

Re: Running on to the ball. : Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:09 pm  

My be a idea for Mr Chester to watch the Cas game and see what a 6,7, and 9 should do