Re: A huge political shift for RL : Fri May 01, 2020 9:34 pm  

financialtimes wrote:

The sad thing is, and this is probably the first time I've ever agreed with Willzay, he's right, we are not and have bpnever been in "lockdown" countries like France Spain and Italy have. I have many friends in Spain(canaries and mainland) also friends in Gibraltar. The "lockdown" they have had is a lockdown, only one person allowed out once a day to either shop for food or go to chemist, no one working except true essential workers and to ensure compliance the penalties are pretty severe and regularly enforced, we may as well have not had any measures put in place, I'm still seeing families going shopping together, people having picnics and BBQ's whilst on my daily 1hourswlak which I take from my house (luckily I live out of town so I'm already walking to the countryside) people driving then getting bikes out of their cars to cycle round pugneys and to top it all the chip shop by me (kingfishers) which is 3 miles out of town, has. Now opened for call and collect with the most pathetic social distancing measures in place, a 3-4 mile drive to your favourite chippy is not an "essential joiurney". It's a joke and this namby pamby government have created this problem, I believe that if we had of had proper lockdown in place very similarly to other EU states wewould not have had the amount of cases Andy. Deaths, for a virus that has a 7-10 day incubation period, for the measure taken to be working, we wouldn't be getting new cases on a daily basis 40 days later

Who's Andy?
One of the points I was trying to make - which you seemed to have missed - like he does with most things of this sad subject - is that sport will not take place in those countries mentioned above by other posters before ours....
France, Spain, Italy and Germany - who according to him had the best "lockdown"....

Re: A huge political shift for RL : Sat May 02, 2020 5:50 am  

Looks like you've started something here FC old boy, I fully concur with your post btw and don't believe for one moment it was politically motivated, unfortunately some people will use this simply as an excuse for that although surprisingly one or two others haven't risen to the challenge yet although there is time yet if it doesn't get locked, speaking of which my favourite and most sensible post was popTart's who I quote "and it's hardly the governments fault if people are too stupid to stay at home" sums it all up for me.

Re: A huge political shift for RL : Sat May 02, 2020 7:06 am  

little wayne69 wrote:

Looks like you've started something here FC old boy, I fully concur with your post btw and don't believe for one moment it was politically motivated, unfortunately some people will use this simply as an excuse for that although surprisingly one or two others haven't risen to the challenge yet although there is time yet if it doesn't get locked, speaking of which my favourite and most sensible post was popTart's who I quote "and it's hardly the governments fault if people are too stupid to stay at home" sums it all up for me.

The thing is, with the £16 million, it's a loan and until there is a way out of the "lockdown" for the sport and some way is found to play RL, a loan on top of accrued losses, just compounds the loss.
It's great that a fund is there that clubs may be able to access and it COULD help some clubs but, the big question for all of us is, how on earth can we play RL in front of paying spectators ??

Re: A huge political shift for RL : Sat May 02, 2020 8:01 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The thing is, with the £16 million, it's a loan and until there is a way out of the "lockdown" for the sport and some way is found to play RL, a loan on top of accrued losses, just compounds the loss.
It's great that a fund is there that clubs may be able to access and it COULD help some clubs but, the big question for all of us is, how on earth can we play RL in front of paying spectators ??

It may be a loan but it's a lifeline thrown to the sport by the government, god knows how the people at war within the game will use it is anybodies guess, as a taxpayer and especially a none sports lover whichever your political leanings are would you prefer it to be a gift, there are a lot of people out there with far less income than the sporting heroes that are sat at home and are itching to get back playing which ever sport it is because they're bored, there are people without any income at all what would love the chance to work to feed their families and pay the bills without compounding their increasing losses, sport is not the be all and end all it's insignificant compared to what's going on around the world, I watch Wakefield, Barnsley fc, and Yorks cc but put into prospective at the moment they mean absolutely nothing against everything else what's going on.

Re: A huge political shift for RL : Sat May 02, 2020 8:19 am  

BarnsleyGull wrote:

Who's Andy?

Typo should say "and" but thanks for pointing out

barnsleyGull wrote:

One of the points I was trying to make - which you seemed to have missed - like he does with most things of this sad subject - is that sport will not take place in those countries mentioned above by other posters before ours....
France, Spain, Italy and Germany - who according to him had the best "lockdown"....

Not missed your point and. I totally agree with the point on sport
There are different reasons as to why the death rates are higher in those countries, which if they hadn't taken the measures they'd took would have been far worse. The Uk will overtake all of these and we've supposedly got one of the best health services in the world.

Anyway, back to the OP, this is a loan and RL will need to generate extra income once all this is over to pay it back. Let's hope theres a plan in place to address this

Re: A huge political shift for RL : Sat May 02, 2020 11:24 am  

little wayne69 wrote:

It may be a loan but it's a lifeline thrown to the sport by the government, god knows how the people at war within the game will use it is anybodies guess, as a taxpayer and especially a none sports lover whichever your political leanings are would you prefer it to be a gift, there are a lot of people out there with far less income than the sporting heroes that are sat at home and are itching to get back playing which ever sport it is because they're bored, there are people without any income at all what would love the chance to work to feed their families and pay the bills without compounding their increasing losses, sport is not the be all and end all it's insignificant compared to what's going on around the world, I watch Wakefield, Barnsley fc, and Yorks cc but put into prospective at the moment they mean absolutely nothing against everything else what's going on.

Amongst this terrible time, we still all have our cross(es) to bear mate.....

Re: A huge political shift for RL : Sat May 02, 2020 2:07 pm  

BarnsleyGull wrote:

Amongst this terrible time, we still all have our cross(es) to bear mate.....

Some are heavier than others

Re: A huge political shift for RL : Sat May 02, 2020 5:17 pm  

little wayne69 wrote:

Looks like you've started something here FC old boy, I fully concur with your post btw and don't believe for one moment it was politically motivated, unfortunately some people will use this simply as an excuse for that although surprisingly one or two others haven't risen to the challenge yet although there is time yet if it doesn't get locked, speaking of which my favourite and most sensible post was popTart's who I quote "and it's hardly the governments fault if people are too stupid to stay at home" sums it all up for me.

Really?

Fishermanscap wrote:

A bit O/T. This is a post about politics

I could dissect the whole diatribe, but it all adds up to the same thing, Vastman smugly declaring socialism defunct now the all-compassing Tories have smashed the class system.

If he'd wanted to talk about the loan, there was already a thread about it!

Re: A huge political shift for RL : Sat May 02, 2020 6:04 pm  

He made it political when he suggested that a Labour government under Corbyn would not have provided such a loan based on what, his own views not in fact.

Re: A huge political shift for RL : Sat May 02, 2020 6:59 pm  

BarnsleyGull wrote:

Amongst this terrible time, we still all have our cross(es) to bear mate.....

Hey!! Watch what you're saying, BG