Re: Carry on : Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:19 pm  

After a game against Cas, I usually feel disappointed or embarrassed, but this time I actually felt angry. We had been playing better than them and I truly felt we could end the hoodoo. Then they just didn't turn up and compete. It was difficult to take. The anger is subsiding but not completely gone. Today is a free hit in that we are expected to lose convincingly, so there is no pressure.

On a more positive note, WP has a win record as head coach of over 50% so far (8/15, 9/16 including cup games) which is definitely decent for a club with such a small budget. It's a long season, there will be more ups and downs, but that's sport.

Re: Carry on : Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:27 pm  

PopTart wrote:

This happens every time we lose to Cas. Big uproar on the forum cos it means so much to people.

For me I'm disappointed but it doesn't mean they are all gutless. It's one game that will be forgotten if we get some other wins and/or beat Cas away.

Move on is my call.

LOL

Wasn’t going to post again so sorry immediate apology but just couldn’t let this one go.

I know you’re being positive but PT that is one naff statement that so misses the target.

Of course this always happens when we lose to Cas because we always do and the performances continually get worse and worse until Thursday was the RL version of Fawlty Towers.

[PopTart]

Re: Carry on : Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:13 pm  

vastman wrote:

LOL

Wasn’t going to post again so sorry immediate apology but just couldn’t let this one go.

I know you’re being positive but PT that is one naff statement that so misses the target.

Of course this always happens when we lose to Cas because we always do and the performances continually get worse and worse until Thursday was the RL version of Fawlty Towers.

What I mean by 'it always happens' is that we have threads that say all our recruitment is rubbish, the club is going backwards, the team are gutless, and loads of big ranting threads.

I'm not saying the feeling isn't real, but the team that played at Warrington haven't suddenly changed time and made everything rubbish for years.
We have good players that aren't playing well right now. Doesn't mean they won't.

It's not just aimed at you. You feel how you feel.
There'll be better days this year and I am looking forward to them. It won't be today. It might be next Saturday. Might not.

Re: Carry on : Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:19 pm  

PopTart wrote:

What I mean by 'it always happens' is that we have threads that say all our recruitment is rubbish, the club is going backwards, the team are gutless, and loads of big ranting threads.

I'm not saying the feeling isn't real, but the team that played at Warrington haven't suddenly changed time and made everything rubbish for years.
We have good players that aren't playing well right now. Doesn't mean they won't.

It's not just aimed at you. You feel how you feel.
There'll be better days this year and I am looking forward to them. It won't be today. It might be next Saturday. Might not.

Well said

Re: Carry on : Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:35 pm  

Decided not to go to the Cas game, and I'm pleased I did.
I'm watching Casv Leeds and Cas are rubbish.
10,000 watching with a good Leeds following, how do Cas do it.

Re: Carry on : Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:29 pm  

Am starting to feel like Rhett butler ‘Frankly my dear I couldn’t give a damn’

122 points shipped in 3 games, glad I didn’t waste my money going, was in Spain but I actually turned the radio off at 24 -4

We’ve lost to Leeds (the only team so far to achieve that ) been annihilated by a distinctively average Cas side. Looks like we are back in free fall again.

For me on the field the fundamental problem we have is the inability to look after the ball, repeated 6 agains, inability to complete sets needless penalties and of course the collander style defence.

The only good news we have on the pitch is that Toulouse are awful and provide we get a win there we will be in Sl next year.

For me we too many of our players have been injured and perhaps we have been unlucky in that regard however Tom Johnson sadly is Mr Biscuit, bill tupo was probably never likely to make a meaningful contribution this season given our desire to sign Langi. Minns was a player we signed for a bit of cover but then succumbed to our injury curse, lineham unlucky, our lack of a quality overseas signing has hurt us hard , Whitbread is ok but hardly the barnstorming prop that we needed. What is surprising is given our pack is made up of hardworking professionals how poor our defence has been and how many unforced errors we have given away

Question is without funds new players etc what’s going to change

Re: Carry on : Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:35 pm  

lampyboy wrote:

Decided not to go to the Cas game, and I'm pleased I did.
I'm watching Casv Leeds and Cas are rubbish.
10,000 watching with a good Leeds following, how do Cas do it.

Animosity aside.

That’s what’s soo peed me off, Cas turned up on Thursday fearing they would be turned over. They simply couldn’t believe their luck. You could visibly see them gain in confidence and by the end having a right old laugh.

I can’t think of many Trinity teams in the last 30 years who wouldn’t have stepped up and turned Cas over. Worse some of the players on show were once part of one of those teams. Where Cas are concerned we’ve hit a new low.

Re: Carry on : Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:37 pm  

Kirmudgeonlyisback wrote:

Am starting to feel like Rhett butler ‘Frankly my dear I couldn’t give a damn’

122 points shipped in 3 games, glad I didn’t waste my money going, was in Spain but I actually turned the radio off at 24 -4

We’ve lost to Leeds (the only team so far to achieve that ) been annihilated by a distinctively average Cas side. Looks like we are back in free fall again.

For me on the field the fundamental problem we have is the inability to look after the ball, repeated 6 agains, inability to complete sets needless penalties and of course the collander style defence.

The only good news we have on the pitch is that Toulouse are awful and provide we get a win there we will be in Sl next year.

For me we too many of our players have been injured and perhaps we have been unlucky in that regard however Tom Johnson sadly is Mr Biscuit, bill tupo was probably never likely to make a meaningful contribution this season given our desire to sign Langi. Minns was a player we signed for a bit of cover but then succumbed to our injury curse, lineham unlucky, our lack of a quality overseas signing has hurt us hard , Whitbread is ok but hardly the barnstorming prop that we needed. What is surprising is given our pack is made up of hardworking professionals how poor our defence has been and how many unforced errors we have given away

Question is without funds new players etc what’s going to change

Tom Johnstone comment is pathetic. He may have had a lot of very genuine injuries but in the games he’s played he’s been a total match winner. Without him we wonder be in SL,. What non entity do you think we should replace him with? get a grip, quality over quantity.

Re: Carry on : Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:01 pm  

I've had major worries about the pack since day dot and I said this even after the Warrington wins. Our pack has not got on top of a game all season and it's there to see in the stats. That's with ball and without ball. The reason we concede so many six agains is because we can't manage the ruck as well as other teams and our pack are really poor out of yardage and generally making metres. Even at warrington our edge defence was pretty good but at times in the first half of both games our middle defence was awful... we somehow sorted itout enough to get wins. Even the Warrington forwards who are getting slated by their fans were marching us 60 metres down field every set. It was the same against Castleford and Salford. The only forty the pack have turned up was the first half against Wigan in the challenge cup. For some reason or another they managed to actually put a performance in and we had a lot of field position and really took it to Wigan without the ball. We can't just rely on Fifita. Some of them need to step up as it is embarrassing. I almost feel harsh pointing the finger at some of them as half the people we play prop aren't even props by nature. Only ourselves to blame recruitment wise. This is a problem that we've had for seasons not just this season.

Re: Carry on : Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:29 pm  

The prop debate is an interesting one!

I go back to when Chris Chester first took over..we initially did pretty well then Hull came to Belle Vue with their big strong pack and absolutely steamrolled us and CC went on record saying we were bullied in the forwards.

Slowly and gradually he built a formidable pack (in size)…the likes of Fifita, Pauli, Huby, England, Hirst…we had some good times and the ‘bullying’ of our pack suddenly stopped.

Then….all through the covid times and the rule changes which sped the game up it all of a sudden looked like going with such a big pack wasn’t the best of ideas and teams were looking more at more mobile props able to play more minutes….this is the road we went down.

I still don’t think our pack is the worst…when all are fully fit and firing we’re capable of matching the best and that’s built on quick play the balls and plenty of offloads. Against Cas we did neither of those from minute 1 to 80!

Having a big pack doesn’t automatically make you a better team…I look at Hull and some of the big men they have earning big money and they’re still inconsistent and under performing in my eyes.

The sooner Fifita is back in the better though as he’s not just a very good prop, he seems to lift the others to a higher level too. What’s his issue anyway? In the squad 3 consecutive games…led to believe he’s touch and go…chip shop rumours of him definitely playing then not even in the squad for today?