Re: Just a thought. : Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:08 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I wouldn't turn down some consultancy.
But to appoint a leader and then undermine him by appointing someone above him is more damaging than the benefits of brining Smith in as top dog.

Why would it be damaging?
Kear was appointed into the same role with Chester and had an immediate impact on the teams performances especially in defence
Whether it’s perceived as positive or not all depends on how it’s publicised and pitched to the fans

The only potential negative is Carters relationship with Brian Smith and whether that would effect his relationship with Tony

Re: Just a thought. : Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:13 am  

I'd have him in a similar role to JK any day of the week, but I don't think we could afford him.

Re: Just a thought. : Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:17 am  

The Avenger wrote:

Why would it be damaging?
Kear was appointed into the same role with Chester and had an immediate impact on the teams performances especially in defence
Whether it’s perceived as positive or not all depends on how it’s publicised and pitched to the fans

The only potential negative is Carters relationship with Brian Smith and whether that would effect his relationship with Tony

You think he did but you don’t know.

It could just have been a fluke.

However there is a massive difference here. Kear knows Trinity backwards and genuinely loves the club. I do think that matters.

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Re: Just a thought. : Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:57 am  

The Avenger wrote:

Why would it be damaging?
Kear was appointed into the same role with Chester and had an immediate impact on the teams performances especially in defence
Whether it’s perceived as positive or not all depends on how it’s publicised and pitched to the fans

The only potential negative is Carters relationship with Brian Smith and whether that would effect his relationship with Tony

The OP suggested he come in as head coach and Willie be assistant. That is a demotion and damaging
The role Kear had wasn't a lead role. Chester still made the decisions supported by Kear.
If Smith did that I'd be more comfortable. But it's how Willie feels that counts. I'd leave things as they are personally with some consultancy advice from Smith if we feel he can help.

Re: Just a thought. : Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:49 am  

PopTart wrote:

The OP suggested he come in as head coach and Willie be assistant. That is a demotion and damaging
The role Kear had wasn't a lead role. Chester still made the decisions supported by Kear.
If Smith did that I'd be more comfortable. But it's how Willie feels that counts. I'd leave things as they are personally with some consultancy advice from Smith if we feel he can help.

What do you mean it`s how Willie feels that counts? For me it`s results and success that counts, continuous improvement springs to mind, we just don`t pounce when we need to as a club and that`s the difference with successful clubs, what we have is okay, it could be a lot better and bringing someone like TS in would make it better IMO, This is professional sport, it`s ruthless and unforgiving, I`m sure WP would see what someone like TS would bring to a club like ours and be on board with that btw. .

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Re: Just a thought. : Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:33 am  

Wildcat26 wrote:

What do you mean it`s how Willie feels that counts? For me it`s results and success that counts, continuous improvement springs to mind, we just don`t pounce when we need to as a club and that`s the difference with successful clubs, what we have is okay, it could be a lot better and bringing someone like TS in would make it better IMO, This is professional sport, it`s ruthless and unforgiving, I`m sure WP would see what someone like TS would bring to a club like ours and be on board with that btw. .

Would you be ok if your boss just came up to you and said we are putting a level in above you, demoting you and taking away your responsibilities?
If you want to replace WIllie then fair enough. I want to keep him.
As I said, if there was a role that would fit with Willie keeping his responsibilities then great. But they've given him a job to do and they should see it through imho.

Re: Just a thought. : Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:58 am  

PopTart wrote:

Would you be ok if your boss just came up to you and said we are putting a level in above you, demoting you and taking away your responsibilities?
If you want to replace WIllie then fair enough. I want to keep him.
As I said, if there was a role that would fit with Willie keeping his responsibilities then great. But they've given him a job to do and they should see it through imho.

See that`s quite a negative angle isn`t it? If you read my previous post my suggestion was TS in a DOR role, no mention of demoting anybody at all.

Would you be ok if your boss came up to you in a high pressure job (That by the way is your first ever appointment in a position of this level) and said we are going to bring someone in to help ease the pressure, someone to help with decision making with the board, another head to problem solving, someone vastly experienced with a great track record of success that is going to make your job a little easier?

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Re: Just a thought. : Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:02 am  

Wildcat26 wrote:

See that`s quite a negative angle isn`t it? If you read my previous post my suggestion was TS in a DOR role, no mention of demoting anybody at all.

Would you be ok if your boss came up to you in a high pressure job (That by the way is your first ever appointment in a position of this level) and said we are going to bring someone in to help ease the pressure, someone to help with decision making with the board, another head to problem solving, someone vastly experienced with a great track record of success that is going to make your job a little easier?

As I said, I would be ok with a consultancy or advisory role. But that wasn't what the OP said and was why I was commenting on it.

But still, Willie is new and we gave him a job. I don't see why there is doubt that he can do it yet.

Re: Just a thought. : Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:20 am  

Wildcat26 wrote:

What do you mean it`s how Willie feels that counts? For me it`s results and success that counts, continuous improvement springs to mind, we just don`t pounce when we need to as a club and that`s the difference with successful clubs, what we have is okay, it could be a lot better and bringing someone like TS in would make it better IMO, This is professional sport, it`s ruthless and unforgiving, I`m sure WP would see what someone like TS would bring to a club like ours and be on board with that btw. .

The difference between us and perceived successful clubs is the sponsorship they attract, plus the financial aid from the wealthy directors, plus the extra fans that successful clubs attract, not sure what you mean by we don't pounce when we need to, other than those successful clubs that do pounce and can afford to where as we don't usually have the finances unless that man who receives more criticism on here than even vastman pulls a tree up, personally unless Smith comes in an advisory capacity only and nothing more I'm not as confident as you and I don't realistically see Poching being on board.

Re: Just a thought. : Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:02 pm  

Just can not understand these post on about things that will not happen