Re: Sam Eseh loan : Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:13 am  

Seems he had a big game for Fev with one journalist questioning why we would let him go on loan!
I think it's a good move - as long as we get him back!

Re: Sam Eseh loan : Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:26 am  

1315trinity wrote:

Seems he had a big game for Fev with one journalist questioning why we would let him go on loan!
I think it's a good move - as long as we get him back!

That’s because journalists are only looking for a headline. He’s simply not ready yet anyone can see that. What matters at the moment is that he plays in a winning team at a level in which he can compete.

If he really rocks it at Fev then he massively increases his first team chances with us. That’s how it should work imho.

Re: Sam Eseh loan : Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:38 pm  

vastman wrote:

That’s because journalists are only looking for a headline. He’s simply not ready yet anyone can see that. What matters at the moment is that he plays in a winning team at a level in which he can compete.

If he really rocks it at Fev then he massively increases his first team chances with us. That’s how it should work imho.

Sam is only a young kid but seems to have much promise.
Agree he's not yet ready for SL first team rugby, and he's still only in his teens. Looks good for the future though.

Re: Sam Eseh loan : Tue Jun 07, 2022 8:43 pm  

vastman wrote:

He’s simply not ready yet anyone can see that.
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As a Fev fan who's watched both his games for us plus two games for Barrow, I'd agree with this. He's still very raw, needs to build up his stamina, and needs work on his defensive technique - all of which are exactly what you'd expect of someone of his age in that position.

He clearly has huge promise though and it will be very interesting to see how he gets on if he's selected against Leigh next Monday. The general feeling seems to be that Leigh's pack might be the best ever seen in the Championship (they looked stonrger for most of the game when they played Hull KR in the cup, too). I wouldn't necessarily have expected him to be selected but Fev are riddled with injuries in the pack so he might well play, even if it's only for a short spell off the bench.. He'll be targeted in defence for sure if he does, so it will be interesting to see how he holds up.

Re: Sam Eseh loan : Wed Jun 08, 2022 6:47 am  

The Phantom Horseman wrote:

As a Fev fan who's watched both his games for us plus two games for Barrow, I'd agree with this. He's still very raw, needs to build up his stamina, and needs work on his defensive technique - all of which are exactly what you'd expect of someone of his age in that position.

He clearly has huge promise though and it will be very interesting to see how he gets on if he's selected against Leigh next Monday. The general feeling seems to be that Leigh's pack might be the best ever seen in the Championship (they looked stonrger for most of the game when they played Hull KR in the cup, too). I wouldn't necessarily have expected him to be selected but Fev are riddled with injuries in the pack so he might well play, even if it's only for a short spell off the bench.. He'll be targeted in defence for sure if he does, so it will be interesting to see how he holds up.

Exactly.

You only have to look at him to see how young he really is. Despite his obvious size he’s still got some puppy fat. He also as you say lacks stamina and that general athleticism that he will have in a few years time.

Although he’d do his best for me the Leigh game might be too much but he could prove me wrong.

Re: Sam Eseh loan : Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:29 pm  

vastman wrote:

Exactly.

You only have to look at him to see how young he really is. Despite his obvious size he’s still got some puppy fat. He also as you say lacks stamina and that general athleticism that he will have in a few years time.

Although he’d do his best for me the Leigh game might be too much but he could prove me wrong.

vasty it's simply too much for an 18 year old forward to be carrying it up every game, your right in what your saying, put him in take him out. To be honest I'm surprised how well hall and Murphy are doing because with young kids you throw them in and usually after about 4 games their levels drop and they need taking out again, it simply drains them physically but most of all mentally. Its important not to expect too much too soon they are still young kids

Re: Sam Eseh loan : Wed Jun 08, 2022 5:07 pm  

To be fair Hall is 19 and been in full time environments for a few years. I believe that Murphy is actually 20 years old so don’t think he’s so much a young kid.

Re: Sam Eseh loan : Wed Jun 08, 2022 6:12 pm  

MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:

vasty it's simply too much for an 18 year old forward to be carrying it up every game, your right in what your saying, put him in take him out. To be honest I'm surprised how well hall and Murphy are doing because with young kids you throw them in and usually after about 4 games their levels drop and they need taking out again, it simply drains them physically but most of all mentally. Its important not to expect too much too soon they are still young kids

Backs are the easiest to bring in young and I suppose they will have a dip at some point.

That said Hall may just be one of those rare players who just improve game on game. Ellis was like that, his form never really dipped.

Murphy looks more likely to need a rest and luckily Kershaw is now near full fitness so there is tge option. Ditto Hall who could be subbed for Croft.

Re: Sam Eseh loan : Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:28 pm  

The Phantom Horseman wrote:

As a Fev fan who's watched both his games for us plus two games for Barrow, I'd agree with this. He's still very raw, needs to build up his stamina, and needs work on his defensive technique - all of which are exactly what you'd expect of someone of his age in that position.

He clearly has huge promise though and it will be very interesting to see how he gets on if he's selected against Leigh next Monday. The general feeling seems to be that Leigh's pack might be the best ever seen in the Championship (they looked stonrger for most of the game when they played Hull KR in the cup, too). I wouldn't necessarily have expected him to be selected but Fev are riddled with injuries in the pack so he might well play, even if it's only for a short spell off the bench.. He'll be targeted in defence for sure if he does, so it will be interesting to see how he holds up.

Meant to come back to this thread but forgot at the time.

For anyone who didn't see the Leigh/Fev game, Eseh was asked a pretty big question and generally stood up quite well. Leaving aside his red card on the hooter for a bit of a reckless challenge - for which he's arguably pretty lucky not to have received a ban - he did much bigger minutes than I'd expected owing to Kopczak being injured in the early stages, and actually topped the yardage/metre totals amongst the Fev forwards with 73m on 11 carries in a game where Fev struggled to get any go-forward all night. He managed a couple of offloads too.

He made 26 tackles and generally held up better in defence than I had expected. He conceded one set restart on the 5th tackle right on Fev's line which was unfortunate.

He did need a lot of guidance from Junior Moors on where to position himself in attacking sets and he did look gassed at times but that's hardly surprising, the game was played at a frantic pace by Championship standards and he was facing a pack that featured a number of guys who were regular starters in NRL or SL last year.

Just needs time, really, and playing alongside the likes of seasoned pros like Moors, Koppy and Wildie will do him a lot of good.

Re: Sam Eseh loan : Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:23 pm  

The Phantom Horseman wrote:

Meant to come back to this thread but forgot at the time.

For anyone who didn't see the Leigh/Fev game, Eseh was asked a pretty big question and generally stood up quite well. Leaving aside his red card on the hooter for a bit of a reckless challenge - for which he's arguably pretty lucky not to have received a ban - he did much bigger minutes than I'd expected owing to Kopczak being injured in the early stages, and actually topped the yardage/metre totals amongst the Fev forwards with 73m on 11 carries in a game where Fev struggled to get any go-forward all night. He managed a couple of offloads too.

He made 26 tackles and generally held up better in defence than I had expected. He conceded one set restart on the 5th tackle right on Fev's line which was unfortunate.

He did need a lot of guidance from Junior Moors on where to position himself in attacking sets and he did look gassed at times but that's hardly surprising, the game was played at a frantic pace by Championship standards and he was facing a pack that featured a number of guys who were regular starters in NRL or SL last year.

Just needs time, really, and playing alongside the likes of seasoned pros like Moors, Koppy and Wildie will do him a lot of good.

Overall I was impressed again with him considering he’s still 18. I agree he stood up very well to the strongest pack in the comp below. I agree Fev is a great place for him to develop and get some minutes in (potentially some finals experience too!).

He will come back to trinity in pre season 2023 a much improved player who will be more ready to make the step up. He seems to have a genuine offloading game too which is a bonus.