Re: Tom Grant : Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:46 am  

For one try, I was sure he said ”I’ve got not try” and then gave the T signal. Looked like a rabbit in headlights.

Re: Tom Grant : Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:35 am  

Grant had a stinker last night and seemed out of his depth.Re the Grace try,it seemed clear to me that he lost control of the ball at the very last moment,and surely the VR could see that.The problem is that this way of ruling on a contentious try seems to be embedded in the mind of the video ref that they don't overturn the refs decision unless it's blindingly obvious the decision is wrong.Why do we persist with this nonsense? I think this issue is a stain on the integrity of Rugby League! When a possible try has been scored why doesn't the ref just make a signal for the VR to intervene,and ask is it a TRY or a NO TRY? If the VR is unable to decide, then the ref would make the final ruling, similar to the RU system.

Re: Tom Grant : Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:48 am  

FOREVERTRIN wrote:

Grant had a stinker last night and seemed out of his depth.Re the Grace try,it seemed clear to me that he lost control of the ball at the very last moment,and surely the VR could see that.The problem is that this way of ruling on a contentious try seems to be embedded in the mind of the video ref that they don't overturn the refs decision unless it's blindingly obvious the decision is wrong.Why do we persist with this nonsense? I think this issue is a stain on the integrity of Rugby League! When a possible try has been scored why doesn't the ref just make a signal for the VR to intervene,and ask is it a TRY or a NO TRY? If the VR is unable to decide, then the ref would make the final ruling, similar to the RU system.

Didn’t we have this exact system in place years ago but they changed it because the decision making and review process was becoming long winded and extending games too long. Pretty sure that was the case.

Re: Tom Grant : Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:28 pm  

Don't remember that Trojan, but my memory is a bit hit and miss nowadays.Would hope they were getting it right in that case,or we are stuffed either way.
Would sooner it took longer if it arrived at the correct decision.

Re: Tom Grant : Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:20 pm  

Agree with all of the above comments, but the one that got me was when Newman was right in his face after the last St's try when Leeds had lost the plot completely, should have been yet another yellow or even red card for dissent but Grant just bottled it completely and sheepishly walked away

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Re: Tom Grant : Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:20 pm  

FOREVERTRIN wrote:

Don't remember that Trojan, but my memory is a bit hit and miss nowadays.Would hope they were getting it right in that case,or we are stuffed either way.
Would sooner it took longer if it arrived at the correct decision.

It's still the same Video ref makingvthe decision.
Personally I prefer this way. It took too long before and it took all the responsibility away from the ref so he just sent every try up.
If the video can't say for certain the ref is wrong, then he's right.

Re: Tom Grant : Sat Jun 25, 2022 1:19 pm  

Hi Pops,if the VR just takes the ref out of the equation and gives his decision on the the balance of probabilities with what he sees, then I will be happy.

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Re: Tom Grant : Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:15 pm  

FOREVERTRIN wrote:

Hi Pops,if the VR just takes the ref out of the equation and gives his decision on the the balance of probabilities with what he sees, then I will be happy.

Unless he sees the balance of probability different to you?

Best fast session to me. No point having a ref if you aren't going to use him.
Use the VT when needed and if it takes longer than a minute, go with what the ref said.

Re: Tom Grant : Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:12 pm  

FOREVERTRIN wrote:

Hi Pops,if the VR just takes the ref out of the equation and gives his decision on the the balance of probabilities with what he sees, then I will be happy.

Shouldn't that be if the ref gives it on the balance of probability you'd be happy, because he only gets one chance at it, whereby the video ref gets to see it from all angles and has a more informed view.
Maybe the systems flawed, 3 games tomorrow one game gets the video ref, the other two has to take they're chances with the ref in charge, which one would you prefer?

Re: Tom Grant : Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:12 pm  

Hmm! Balance of probabilities wasn't the right words to express what I was trying to say, but I stand by my original post that the VR is quite often reluctant to overrule the ref when there is evidence to the contrary.Once again this is only my opinion.
PT -I wouldn't mind the VR taking more than a minute if it meant the right decision.
Chissitt -do you think Grace's try was legitimate?